Throw Up

[Atthet]

The answer here is simple.

The puker should buy the pukee a new car.

[Daktoria]

@Blurry

Am I the only person here who has actually puked in someone else’s car?

I mean, it’s not like he refused to pull over, he was just trying to get to an alley where me leaning out of the car and puking my guts out wouldn’t attract attention. It wasn’t exactly his fault that I didn’t make it, though maybe if he had taken that last corner a little bit slower I wouldn’t have heaved. I mean, one should think twice before swerving wildly around a corner with a hungover chick sitting in their passenger seat telling them they’re going to vomit, but then I suppose panic-mode sets in and you just want them out of your car before the vomiting happens.

In any case, I cleaned it up because cleaning up puke is always gross, but moreso if it’s someone else’s.

I mean, I get that the OP is trying to make a point that has nothing to do with actually puking in cars, but come on…

Yes. My point is the only way people can justify the passenger having to clean up one’s own throw up is from an appeal to emotion.

People’s sense of personal responsibility wavers when things get nasty. You can’t trust most people to believe what’s right when the chips are down. They get intimidated.

[Daktoria]

@Kriswest

Cripes, split the cost and pay someone else at a carwash to do it. That way no hard feelings, its done professionally so no disgusting smell remains. That smell can really linger especially in the summer. That is when resentment really builds.

The resentment is already built from the driver failing to pull over. Expecting the passenger to clean up afterwards adds insult to injury.

[Blurry]

@Daktoria

@Blurry

Am I the only person here who has actually puked in someone else’s car?

I mean, it’s not like he refused to pull over, he was just trying to get to an alley where me leaning out of the car and puking my guts out wouldn’t attract attention. It wasn’t exactly his fault that I didn’t make it, though maybe if he had taken that last corner a little bit slower I wouldn’t have heaved. I mean, one should think twice before swerving wildly around a corner with a hungover chick sitting in their passenger seat telling them they’re going to vomit, but then I suppose panic-mode sets in and you just want them out of your car before the vomiting happens.

In any case, I cleaned it up because cleaning up puke is always gross, but moreso if it’s someone else’s.

I mean, I get that the OP is trying to make a point that has nothing to do with actually puking in cars, but come on…

Yes. My point is the only way people can justify the passenger having to clean up one’s own throw up is from an appeal to emotion.

People’s sense of personal responsibility wavers when things get nasty. You can’t trust most people to believe what’s right when the chips are down. They get intimidated.

This is really silly, this whole thing. I feel life should be approached on a situation-to-situation basis, there’s no hard-and-fast rule that applies everywhere.

[Kriswest]

I agree with Blurry but, a passenger is having a favor done for them in most cases, in others they are a guest in a car that is not theirs. They just damaged someone else’s property and were dumb enough not to be able to fit their small head out a large window. Also quite likely waited till the last seconds to say something if you could not stick your small head out the window quickly enough. The driver being given minimal warning maybe held responsible if they did not believe but only partially. Frankly if you resent the driver. then you would be an ass and do not deserve to be anyone’s guest again.

[Daktoria]

@Blurry

@Daktoria

Yes. My point is the only way people can justify the passenger having to clean up one’s own throw up is from an appeal to emotion.

People’s sense of personal responsibility wavers when things get nasty. You can’t trust most people to believe what’s right when the chips are down. They get intimidated.

This is really silly, this whole thing. I feel life should be approached on a situation-to-situation basis, there’s no hard-and-fast rule that applies everywhere.

You feel life should be…

…see what I mean?

I’m not saying there’s a “hard-and-fast” rule either, but there are universal standards that can be deliberately applied.

The problem is most people are so caught up in the moment by moment rat race that they don’t deliberate.

[Blurry]

Universal standards are not practical. It’s all well and good to sit back in your armchair and talk about universal standards of behavior or whatever, but when it comes down to it the best way to handle life is to think on your feet and do the best with whatever you have in the moment. Situation-based pragmatic thinking is the handiest tool of the modern day survivor. Universal standards should be considered as “secondary” in many cases because said standards rarely do more than limit one’s possibilities.

[Mr_Reasonable]

@Daktoria

Say two people are in a car. The (voluntary) passenger gets car sick and tells the driver to pull over.

The (voluntary) driver fails to do so, and the passenger throws up in the car (making an attempt out the window).

Who should clean it up?

What should happen Daktoria, is what probably actually does happen most of the time.

The puker will clean up the bulk of it. At least enough to ruin a towel and make him dry heave at the smell.

The driver will be responsible for getting the last bits of it out of the crevices a week later when the heat from the sun starts to make the car stink, and consequently the driver will also have to take care of the smell.

What’s confusing about this? The answers to your questions are in the world in front of you Dak.

[Blurry]

@Smears

@Daktoria

Say two people are in a car. The (voluntary) passenger gets car sick and tells the driver to pull over.

The (voluntary) driver fails to do so, and the passenger throws up in the car (making an attempt out the window).

Who should clean it up?

What should happen Daktoria, is what probably actually does happen most of the time.

The puker will clean up the bulk of it. At least enough to ruin a towel and make him dry heave at the smell.

The driver will be responsible for getting the last bits of it out of the crevices a week later when the heat from the sun starts to make the car stink, and consequently the driver will also have to take care of the smell.

What’s confusing about this? The answers to your questions are in the world in front of you Dak.

Note that his question wasn’t “Who will clean it up,” but “Who should clean it up.”

[anon]

@Daktoria

@Blurry

@Daktoria

Yes. My point is the only way people can justify the passenger having to clean up one’s own throw up is from an appeal to emotion.

People’s sense of personal responsibility wavers when things get nasty. You can’t trust most people to believe what’s right when the chips are down. They get intimidated.

This is really silly, this whole thing. I feel life should be approached on a situation-to-situation basis, there’s no hard-and-fast rule that applies everywhere.

You feel life should be…

…see what I mean?

I’m not saying there’s a “hard-and-fast” rule either, but there are universal standards that can be deliberately applied.

The problem is most people are so caught up in the moment by moment rat race that they don’t deliberate.

Bullshit. Clean it up yourself, don’t be so childish. Grow up. If there is a universal standard, it’s just this. And do it with a smile.

[Helandhighwater]

@Helandhighwater

I fail to see the point of this thread, who should clean what up and why?

I still fail to see the point of this thread, are they your friends or just dick heads with a grudge against you? The clarification would help a lot.

[Mr_Reasonable]

@Blurry

@Smears

@Daktoria

Say two people are in a car. The (voluntary) passenger gets car sick and tells the driver to pull over.

The (voluntary) driver fails to do so, and the passenger throws up in the car (making an attempt out the window).

Who should clean it up?

What should happen Daktoria, is what probably actually does happen most of the time.

The puker will clean up the bulk of it. At least enough to ruin a towel and make him dry heave at the smell.

The driver will be responsible for getting the last bits of it out of the crevices a week later when the heat from the sun starts to make the car stink, and consequently the driver will also have to take care of the smell.

What’s confusing about this? The answers to your questions are in the world in front of you Dak.

Note that his question wasn’t “Who will clean it up,” but “Who should clean it up.”

Noted. Please note the first sentence of my post that you quoted.

[Daktoria]

@Blurry

Universal standards are not practical. It’s all well and good to sit back in your armchair and talk about universal standards of behavior or whatever, but when it comes down to it the best way to handle life is to think on your feet and do the best with whatever you have in the moment. Situation-based pragmatic thinking is the handiest tool of the modern day survivor. Universal standards should be considered as “secondary” in many cases because said standards rarely do more than limit one’s possibilities.

The problem is pragmatism is subjective. What’s practical to someone isn’t automatically practical to everyone.

We need principles in order to universally respect this subjectivity in order to avoid discrimination. Otherwise, we end up saying people’s rights are subject to convenience. Yes, standards limit one’s possibilities. The point is society is composed of many.

[Daktoria]

@Smears

What should happen Daktoria, is what probably actually does happen most of the time.

How do things happen in the first place? Historicism begs the question.

What’s confusing about this? The answers to your questions are in the world in front of you Dak.

I agree. The world has many hypothetical scenarios. Realism’s particularity doesn’t account for universal ideals.

[Moreno]

@Daktoria

Say two people are in a car. The (voluntary) passenger gets car sick and tells the driver to pull over.

The (voluntary) driver fails to do so, and the passenger throws up in the car (making an attempt out the window).

Who should clean it up?

I’ll make some assumptions here to make it easier for me to answer.
It would have been easy/safe to pull over. The passenger has not cried wolf a lot. The driver knew the passenger was serious.
With that in mind my answer is the driver.

[Moreno]

@UbermenschRandySavage

Despite its unassuming statement, this is actually a very deep philosophical question. It all comes down to power dynamics. In a state of nature, the weaker man, he who doesn’t exhibit a strong will to power, is obliged to clean up the vomit. As the driver has shown himself to be of strong will by ignoring the sick man’s pleas, he is clearly the power-holder in the situation. However, we are embedded in a social matrix, a structure which seeks to curb the will to power of the strong. It is this structure which ultimately determines who cleans up the vomit of society. According to the slave morality which permeates our society, the driver is obliged to clean the vomit of the weak man.

If it is the driver’s car, which I assumed was the case, perhaps incorrectly, then he or she does not have to clean it up. UP to the driver. But it sure isn’t the passengers responsibility.

[Moreno]

@UbermenschRandySavage

@fuse

How do you know the passenger is weaker and the driver stronger? And why is it necessarily weak to clean up the mess?

Anyways, I think the vomiter should clean up the vomit. The other person may not have been very helpful to me but I would still feel responsible for cleaning up my mess.

The driver is of stronger will to power for he refuses to be cowed by the sick passenger who would have the driver alter his course.

To be cowed? What a strange, utterly defensive, even scared way to view relations. Here’s the homework assignment: imagine someone pulling over who is not cowed. If you think that is not possible,then all human relations are terrifying for you, or, I suppose, opportunities to dominate, which also leads to a tremendous loss of energy for nothing.

And if it is his car, a really dumb choice.

Strong people need not treat others like shit. And the win win is so obvious here…
I mean who wants to drive or be in a car that smells like vomit.
The driver just hit himself in the face for no reason.

[Mr_Reasonable]

@Daktoria

@Smears

What should happen Daktoria, is what probably actually does happen most of the time.

How do things happen in the first place? Historicism begs the question.

What’s confusing about this? The answers to your questions are in the world in front of you Dak.

I agree. The world has many hypothetical scenarios. Realism’s particularity doesn’t account for universal ideals.

This is a fairly vague and baseless response. I’ll take it that you’re just tired of trolling or are running out of shit to say. I’m pretty disappointed right now.

[Mr_Reasonable]

I had a professor once who explained to me that the butt of the biggest joke ever are the people who idealize the ubermench while living the life of the downtrodden on the relative scale in their society. I agree with her.

[topdown]

@Moreno

To be cowed? What a strange, utterly defensive, even scared way to view relations. Here’s the homework assignment: imagine someone pulling over who is not cowed. If you think that is not possible,then all human relations are terrifying for you, or, I suppose, opportunities to dominate, which also leads to a tremendous loss of energy for nothing.

And if it is his car, a really dumb choice.

Strong people need not treat others like shit. And the win win is so obvious here…
I mean who wants to drive or be in a car that smells like vomit.
The driver just hit himself in the face for no reason.

In truth, the burden of the vomit should fall to both men, as the vomit affects them both. However, we live in a society where the symmetries of nature are corrupted by evil monists, whether they would make the driver responsible for the passenger’s pride or the passenger responsible for the driver’s property. Both are perversions. Strength is self-oneism, the willingness to place yourself at the hub of the world. However, all strength is stupidity; no one is at the center, we can only inhabit a corner.