time dilation, gravity, speed. wheres the connection?

as we all know, when you go fast, or near a black hole, your perception and experience of time slows down, and the universe around you moves in fast forward.

what does going fast have in common with being near gravity besides dilating time? i think if we can answer this question, than that is the key to understanding the actual fundamental mechanism of time.

for example, i believe that the whole concept and mechanism by which time exists can be described in terms of the zero point field and its interaction with matter. the only reason why i think this is because my shadow gravity theory.

i have some vague incomplete notion in my head that when you are near large amounts of gravity, you are interacting with fewer zero point field particles, because they are being blocked by that gravity. and when you move fast relative to something, you experience the zero point field particles in some way that is analogous to them being blocked by a black hole.

the picture i have is that we are all bathed in a sea of photons, gluons and gauge bosons and each time one of them touches one of the particles in the atoms that our body is composed of, that particle (or the whole atom) takes one quantum step forward in time. since the distribution of zero point field particles is supposedly uniform across the universe, or at least on earth, every atom would be hit at the same rate, and it would therefore appear that time is a universal constant, not an intermittent interaction like magnetism or momentum.

if you have uranium that emits 1 proton every minute, its not actually counting minutes, its counting the zero point field particles that hit it. when 5000 particles hit it, it releases a photon. if you put it near a large source of gravity or make it go near the speed of light, it will run into fewer than 5000 particles per minute, and will therefore emit protons at a slower rate than 1 per minute. it will appear as though time slowed down. the same goes for the neurons in our brains and the internal clocks in our cells.

lets say, in open space, you will be bombarded on your left side with 20 googleplex zpf particles and on your right with the same. for a total of 40 googolplex zpf particles, and this amount causes a normal passage of time.

shadow gravity says that when you are stationary 10 feet to the right of a neutron star, 20gplex particles hit your right, but only 500 hit your left because the star blocks them. the difference that causes the abnormal passage of time is the smaller number of zpf particles interacting with your matter.

so when you are going fast, could there be a similar lack of zpf particle interactions? when going to the right near the speed of light, it will take longer for you to encounter all of the photons that are trying to catch up with you from the left. but, seemingly counteracting that would be a larger number of photons hitting you from the right, since you are running into them.

perhaps the fact that you are moving in the opposite direction of this larger number of photons at such a greater speed means that they will all interact less often or somehow differently than would zero point field particles travelling at the normal relative speed. i mean, when stationary, the zpf particles will hit you at the speed of light. but when flying through space in the opposite direction of oncoming zpf particles, your velocity relative to the particle (as observed from a relatively motionless third party) is much faster than the speed of light. perhaps this increased speed prevents the particles from interacting in the way that causes the passage of time.

maybe theres something about the fact that observers on the spaceship would observe the oncoming particles to be moving at a speed much different than the third, motionless, observer would say the relative velocity is. however, at this point, my head spins.

this may sound weird because i am assuming the existence of a constant ether that science denies the existence of. but its there, the zero point field is clearly there and some scientists believe they have proven that inertia is a result of it. its influence is uncertain because of incomplete technology.

my god there is an idea that is so close. its on the tip of my brain. how can the michelson-morely experiment (the one that proved that light waves shot from earth travel at constant velocity through the ether, no matter which direction they are fired or what the velocity of the earth is) be explained by integrating shadow gravity into the theory of relativity. come on tminion, assume its true, its exercise for your brain.

more importantly, what does anybody say about the relationship between gravity-based time dilation and speed-based time dilation. because thats a pretty crazy weird thing to happen, and i dont see anything else in common between gravity and speed. dont tell me the freakinf fabric curves, thats not an explanation because you dont know what the fabric is.

Im not really gonna answer any of your questions since im not that smart, but I do read alot.

If light can be bent by gravity in its strongest form, perhaps gravity can be broken, changed or managed by some extreme form of radiation, like some massive amount of energy too big to imagine being thrust at a blackhole.

There has to be a threshhold, Something has to give if the biggest star in the universe were slammed at a blackhole at the speed of light.

To explain the zpf interactions with matter would you not need to include time in some way? 500zpf particles interact in x amount of time causing y dilation.

I thinks somethings missin, but what do i know.

I am pondering your theory and I find a few flaws thouh I find it intriguing and possibly valid.

Theoretically, any reaction requires energy, to take a step forward in time, it seems you would need energy and that means that unless there is a constant supply of energy to the atoms, they would either simply cease to exist or would stop passing though time (though for people or other particles to recognize that one particlehas stopepd moving would require enery in and of its self.
I have class in a few minutes, I’ll finish this up next time if I remember.
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–There is no Truth.

Oh, I forgot to add that

Well…Eistein proposed that E = mc^2, I would surmise that since you are adding more and mre energy to incraesed velocity in the form of force of acceleration or perhaps more easily in the electric form, E would increase to infinity. Meanwhile, c is constant at 186,000 mps and so, masswould have to increase so that the proportion is kept the same.
Since mass increases, the tmie dilation effection would incrase as well.

–there is no truth

In E=mc², m must be interpreted as relativistic mass, or E as rest-energy, at least something like that :slight_smile:.
The general formula is: E= m / sqrt(1 - (v²/c²)). Where sqrt = sqare root.
So indeed, would assume mass increases and space-time is bent harder.

But:

According to General Relativity, if mass is fit within a radius r of the following equation,
r <= 2GM / c²
where G is the universal gravity constant, a black hole must be created.
While this is practically impossible for ‘normal’ masses, one could reason a black hole must be created for speeds approaching c (according to the first equation), but this is not the case.

Therefor I don’t know whether time dilation increases because mass increases. (It seems logical though).
Hopefully someone with better knowledge of relativity theories could elaborate on this.

I’ve just tonight been reading through your shadow theory, and i gotta say it’s pretty frickin brilliant.

Now, the one thing which occured to me while I was reading your post(s) was that the expansion of the universe is actually slowing down, which have led some to postulated that it will eventually collapse back in on it’s self. I think this is the key concept to tieing the ‘mulitverse’ theory to yours… well, perhaps.
If the big bang is the oringial ‘slant’ in the fabric of space time (or the trampoline), then it exists all at once, and not at all. In other words we are part of a universe in which all other possibilities for the existence of matter are playing on the outside of our ‘bubble’. The zpf field is the ‘ether’ in which all things (which would reside within their repective possibility, or bubble) sit, it’s the cause of the motion of those things, and it is the cause of ‘Time’ for anyone who can comprehend it.

now what I mean by that is that I believe consciousness is what happens when the zpf touches matter in a special way, that way is to be described to the best of my abilities as: The chemical requirements for our brains, or any other being’s that posses self awareness to work. I think rationality is more of a sliding scale and thus why humans are the smartest beings on this planet but apes arn’t far off. This consciousness comes with a timeline, (for instance time for flies seems to be at a faster pace than ours as they easily dodge whatever swipe we make at them like they know what we’re going to do before it happens.), it’s based on space. If you take 2 infallible watches, put one in the depths of the ocean, and the other ontop of mt. whatever, the times will actually change. Not only is it based on space but it’s also incredibly sensitive. I’m tall, and I play basketball and I honestly think time moves just a very tiny bit faster for those little guards that run around my feet.

So, keeping in mind that we’re all (in the back of our heads) connected to that which exists outside of matter, when we move extremely fast, or near something with so much gravity as a black hole, the particles which make up our brains shift ever so slightly, and we’re sensitive enough to feel it because the back of our head ‘perception’ remains constant.

I have a theory that we’re all connected on some level, this level is the zpf. Imagine a sphere of water in zero gravity. The pool is the zpf. Now imagine a tear from God falling from no direction in particular to produce a rippling which would render the sphere now an object of no real comprehension whose waves hold on their surface, the requirements for the existance of reality, which is the multiverse. Over and over the waves would… happen, each time a part of the water taking place on the action through each (self)conscious creature <----- Still not sure about that one

anyways, let me know what you think

i AM drunk now, but that was a pretty crazy post, gobbo. and i dont think i completely followed it.

i am very very glad that somebody thinks my physics ideas are good. because they are. and there are few things in the world that i want more than to fully explain every detail of them to you in the appropriate threads.

however, i think i disagree with a few things youve said.

first of all, you said the “multiverse theory” which is wrong.

i have a theory that “outside the boundaries of this universe” there are a bunch of kangaroos who fart every time they jump. and each fart that they have, it creates a universe. our universe is merely a kangaroo fart among many numerous kangaroo farts.

what im trying to say is that the “multiverse theory” is merely a deus ex machina pulled out of the asses of a few extremely uncreative scientists to explain such unrelated things as undeterministic quantum mechanical behavior and (a little more creatively) the destiny of black hole matter.

when you start to try and describe what the big bang is relative to any kind of trampoline, its really futile. i can visualize god’s sexy female ass farting out a big brown bubble and i can say that that is what the big bang really is. it doesnt matter. there is no point in describing what the source of the big bang is for at least 50 years of smart people theorizing. we know too little now.

about the zpf being the ether that science never found, absolutely. think about it, you put a clock on an earth orbiting satellite that goes really fast in order to measure the effect of time dilation (which was done), and then it turns out that time really does dilate when you go fast around the earth.

how did the clock know that the earth is “stationary” and the satellite is “moving fast”? HUH?!?! ETHER. period. there is an ether. the reason why scientists say that there is no ether, or medium, through which light waves pass is because the light waves dont exhibit the normal behavior that regular waves do as they pass through a medium.

when you shoot waves through water, you can measure them in certain ways, and you can measure the effect that their wavelengths have on the medium that they pass through (the water). and with light, you cant do that at all, light is totally crazy and definetely not a water-like wave. it does not pass through the ether like water waves pass through water.

but there must, logically, be an ether. i will now copy and paste the preceding paragraphs into the appropriate thread that was recently created.

Anyway, gobbo, your post is a little ambitious. the effect of the zpf on brains is unobserved so far. first we have to figure out how brains work. but i think i get the idea of what you are saying. it mayt interest you to learn that (at least mammals) live their lives with the same number of heartbeats.

a mouse’s heart will beat (lets say) 1 million times in his life. and a humans heart will beat the same amount. a mouse beats 300 times a minute and a human beats 60 times a minute. maybe that has something to do with our perception of time?!?! my branch went in the wrong direction. but i typed it anyway. and you read it, sucker.

what do i think? im sorry, friend, im so very glad that you have contributed, and i want to help you contribute further in every way that i can, pm me, but you went too far. you talked about all kinds of shit with a significant lack of science. i do the same, i dont back up my shadow gravity theory with science because there is none, but i have to Exhaustively describe the logic. or else it just sounds like gibberish. i really understood what youve said, but i doubt many others did. pm me