to rig or not to rig?

The possibilities are endless:

nytimes.com/2020/10/28/opin … e=Homepage

[b]'On Oct. 23, the Pennsylvania state Republican Party asked the Supreme Court to take up the case again on its merits. If the court does so — back at full membership with Barrett potentially positioned to cast the tiebreaking vote — it raises the possibility that the outcome could once again be in the hands of the Supreme Court, just as it was in Bush v. Gore in 2000. The election would have to be close for this scenario to develop, but it is not impossible.

'An eventuality along these lines would play out against a background of grass roots mobilization on both the right and left that heightens the prospect of civic disruption. If Trump were to take advantage of chaos on Election Day and in its aftermath to claim victory, there is the near certain prospect of protests that would make this past summer’s Black Lives Matter demonstrations look mild in comparison.

'The radical right is currently the greatest focus of a potential for disruption.

'The Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project, a liberal nonprofit group, issued a report earlier this month, “STANDING BY: Right-Wing Militia Groups & the US Election,” that “maps a subset of the most active right-wing militias” including the Three Percenters, the Oath Keepers, the Light Foot Militia, the Civilian Defense Force, and the“street movements that are highly active in brawls,” including the Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer.

'The Armed Conflict Location Group report warns:

'Militia groups and other armed nonstate actors pose a serious threat to the safety and security of American voters. Throughout the summer and leading up to the general election, these groups have become more assertive, with activities ranging from intervening in protests to organizing kidnapping plots targeting elected officials.

'The group’s report noted that both the Department of Homeland Security and the Federal Bureau of Investigation have specifically identified extreme far right-wing and racist movements as a primary risk factor heading into November, describing the election as a potential ‘flash point’ for reactionary violence.

'At the same time, liberal groups have not been sitting on their hands.

'A relatively moderate entity called Holdtheline has issued “A Guide to Defending Democracy” by Hardy Merriman, Ankur Asthana, Marium Navid and Kifah Shah, all active in leftist advocacy groups. The guide warns that “we are witnessing ongoing actions that destroy our democracy bit by bit.”

'The guide pointedly stresses nonviolence and describes two categories of protest, “acts of commission” including engaging in demonstrations, marches, or nonviolent blockades,” and “acts of omission,” including strikes of all kinds; deliberate work slowdowns; boycotts of all kinds; divestment; refusing to pay certain fees, bills, taxes, or other costs; or refusal to observe certain expected social norms or behaviors.

'A second liberal group, Choosing Democracy, is preparing for nonviolent protest in the event of “an undemocratic power grab — a coup.” The group asks supporters to take the following pledge:

'We will vote.

'We will refuse to accept election results until all the votes are counted.

'We will nonviolently take to the streets if a coup is attempted.

'If we need to, we will shut down this country to protect the integrity of the democratic process.

'As the Black Lives Matter protests in Portland, Seattle, New York and other cities demonstrated last summer, in large scale protests it can be difficult to enforce a commitment to nonviolence.

'Not only that, but the federal indictment of Ivan Harrison Hunter, a member of the Boogaloo Bois, on charges that he “discharged 13 rounds from an AK-47 style semiautomatic rifle into the Minneapolis Police Department’s Third Precinct building” suggests that in the event of protests from the left, right-wing groups will attempt to foster and encourage violence.

'Police department across the nation are gearing up to deal with violence on Election Day and in its aftermath.

'“It’s fair to say the police are preparing in ways they never would have had to for Election Day,” Chuck Wexler, director of the Police Executive Research Forum, a Washington-based think tank, told Time magazine. Andrew Walsh, a deputy chief of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, told The Washington Post, “I don’t think we’ve seen anything like this in modern times.”[/b]

In multiple threads you repeatedly bring up Trump as an incessant liar, so until I get thoroughly bored with your denial of reality, I am going to continue with evidentiary written examples of the truth as expounded by Trump.

Okay, Kid, here us a collection of his lies just in regard to the coronavirus:

theatlantic.com/politics/ar … us/608647/

And these are just the first few of the “biggest lies”.

[b]'On the Nature of the Outbreak:

When: Friday, February 7, and Wednesday, February 19
The claim: The coronavirus would weaken “when we get into April, in the warmer weather—that has a very negative effect on that, and that type of a virus.”
The truth: When Trump made this claim, it was too early to tell whether the virus’s spread would be dampened by warmer conditions, though public-health experts and epidemiologists were immediately skeptical of Trump’s comment. But the spring and summer have passed, and the pandemic is still raging.

When: Thursday, February 27
The claim: The outbreak would be temporary: “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle—it will disappear.”
The truth: Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, warned days later that he was concerned that “as the next week or two or three go by, we’re going to see a lot more community-related cases.” He was right—the virus has not disappeared.

When: Multiple times
The claim: If the economic shutdown continues, deaths by suicide “definitely would be in far greater numbers than the numbers that we’re talking about” for COVID-19 deaths.
The truth: More than 200,000 Americans have died from COVID-19. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, suicide is one of the leading causes of death in the United States. But the number of people who died by suicide in 2017, for example, was roughly 47,000, nowhere near the COVID-19 numbers. Estimates of the mental-health toll of the Great Recession are mixed. A 2014 study tied more than 10,000 suicides in Europe and North America to the financial crisis. But a larger analysis in 2017 found that although the rate of suicide was increasing in the United States, the increase could not be directly tied to the recession and was attributable to broader socioeconomic conditions predating the downturn.

When: Multiple times
The claim: “Coronavirus numbers are looking MUCH better, going down almost everywhere,” and cases are “coming way down.”
The truth: When Trump made these claims in May, coronavirus cases were either increasing or plateauing in the majority of American states. Over the summer, the country saw a second surge even greater than its first in the spring.'[/b]

Note to others:

What is often just as ludicrous as Trump’s lies are the twisted attempts by his supporters to turn them into truths.

To wit:

Your up, Kid.

Hold your horses, you gave politifact’s as your first evidence of Trump’s lies, so Politifacts is what will be sorted first.

Politifacts claimed that Trump spoke the following quote during a debate on October 22, 2020:

Politifacts sources for their claim follows…

Is there one entry made by Trump on October 22, 2020?

I don’t doubt Trump said the prison comment at some point much earlier when the Michigan lockdown was in full effect, but that is not what Politifact is claiming about Trump.

Biggie, did Politifact lie?

Note to others:

Decide for yourselves: politifact.com/factchecks/2 … ndemic-ha/

Ah, Biggie this is for you. The link reiterates the sources which I listed. In Politifacts sources, is there one entry made by Trump on October 22, 2020?

Four days to go until…?

nytimes.com/2020/10/30/opin … e=Homepage

‘They [the White House insiders] are worried that the president could use the power of the government — the one they all serve or served within — to keep himself in office or to create favorable terms for negotiating his exit from the White House.’

Never thought of that part. Trump agrees to leave peacefully but only if, say, the Democrats agree not to pursue criminal charges against him.

Or…

‘Many of the officials I spoke to came back to one idea: You don’t know Donald Trump like we do. Even though they can’t predict exactly what will happen, their concerns range from the president welcoming, then leveraging, foreign interference in the election, to encouraging havoc that grows into conflagrations that would merit his calling upon U.S. forces. Because he is now surrounded by loyalists, they say, there is no one to try to tell an impulsive man what he should or shouldn’t do.’

So, given the Trump that they know, it’s not at all out of the question to imagine the worst of all possible worlds.

To wit:

[b]'“That guy you saw in the debate,” a second former senior intelligence official told me, after the first debate, when the president offered one of the most astonishing performances of any leader in modern American history — bullying, ridiculing, manic, boasting, fabricating, relentlessly interrupting and talking over his opponent. “That’s really him. Not the myth that’s been created. That’s Trump.”

‘Still another senior government official, who spent years working in proximity to Mr. Trump, put it like this: “He has done nothing else that’s a constant, except for acting in his own interest.” And that’s how “he’s going to be thinking, every step of the way, come Nov. 3.”’[/b]

Biggie, can people without a subscription to the New York Times read the articles and follow their evidentiary links? I do not have a subscription and it is not allowing me to access the article.

Try this:

Go to the pro-Trump media and pull the same shit on us. :laughing:

Here is a prime example of audience manipulation. Trump didn’t say what they have quoted, but that is not what zombies read. Zombies read that Trump will do both legal and extralegal which these scumbags are trying to frame as possibly illegal, conspiracy type shit, stuff beyond the law finding out.

I am going to start pointing out every media manipulation and lie I come across in your media links and posts starting back at the beginning of the thread.

First, of course, define “lie”. :laughing:

Yeah, Biggie, we already know that you don’t know what a lie is.

Biggie wrote

The Democrat push for nationwide mail-in ballots was the first dirty trick. Our country has never accommodated a hundred million national mail-in ballots, so operating systems and security measures have not been proven effective nationwide, but “In Person” voting systems and security measures have been proven and are less disputable. While Covid is a concern, safety measures can and have been taken to vote In Person without becoming infected. Infection was the Democrats main excuse to promote an unproven, unsecured national voting system which they will dispute once the red wave of In Person votes decimates their mail in ballot scheme. People online have commented on voting multiple times (one person said that he voted by mail three times and was heading to vote In Person on election day) because they know that there are no checks and balances, no proven voter fraud catching systems in place.

Wiki

So, there is an estimated 250,000,000 people eligible to vote in 2020 and 100,000,000 try the mail in ballot, if mail in voter fraud happens as recorded above at 1%, how many bogus votes is that? 1,000,000 with verified systems in place. Question is, how many will slip through the gaping cracks of a mail in ballot scheme, with unverified systems in place, implemented last minute?

Back to this:

washingtonpost.com/opinions … nize-coup/

[b]I have never been more grateful for President Trump’s incompetence. He can’t even organize a coup d’état properly.

It is not for want of trying. Since April 8, he has been fulminating against mail-in voting — claiming, without a shred of evidence, that it is ripe for fraud. His transparently obvious scheme has been to demand that the largely Democratic mail-in ballots be thrown out so that he could win based on the Election Day totals.[/b]

Not much speculation of this sort is around. In part because the focus remains on who exactly will win the thing. But as it appears increasingly more likely that it will be Biden, can we count of Trump’s incompetence here?

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From an official source:

Another take on rigging:

archive3.fairvote.org/reforms/n … l-college/

Same with the Senate. Giving every state two senators allows the smaller and often more conservative states to have power far beyond the number of citizens they actually represent.

Liberal California: 39,937,500 citizens 2 senators
Conservative Wyoming 577,737 citizens 2 senators

And while there are a few states with small populations that are liberal, most of them are conservative:

vox.com/policy-and-politics … r-progress