I think civilization is just the beginning, the primordial cacoon or womb of creation for the Omnisymbiote. It is comparable to the early stages of the soul and bodies integration and evolution. Think of civilization as a single being with many cells, and many different types of cells. We came together, some of us more willing than others (most animals and some humans weren’t given an alternative, plants tools, machines, computers and robots are incapable of choice), because we couldn’t find life, and the pursuit of understanding, knowledge, happiness and pleasure on our own. We domesticated nature and to some degree ourselves, through a process of socialization, we sacrificed/exchanged autonomy for security, for greater access to the means to improve quality and quantity of life… each other, we are the means. We have reached the point in our development when we can understand what this all about, we, much of nature, though many are being excluded, are becoming one being, and dare I say this entity, this…
Omnisymbiote is… if you will… God.
God has a mind, a body, and resources on which it feeds. Humans, computers and robots are the mind cells of God, animals, plants, tools and machines are God’s body, and the solar system (assuming there are no extraterrestrials inhabiting, and that is a big assumption) is God’s castle, or playground if you will. We must leave room for nature, our primal, primitive, chaotic stomping grounds on which we’re dependent… however, nature must also make way for us, for civiliation. We must harmonize the old and the new.
Just as the mind is divided into parts, man, God’s mind, must also be divided into parts. Man is 5, has 5 fingers on each hand, and 5 toes on each foot. He has five appendages, 2 legs, 2 arms and one kneck, which, among other reasons, is why the image of the pentagram, the 5 pointed star, is so prevalent in our society, since we are humanists, worshipers of Enki, Prometheus… or Lucifer. Aleister Crowley said, everyman is born a star, or something to that affect. Then there are the 5 senses. From Plato, to the Kabala, to Freud, in the west, man’s mind has often been divided into 3, well I seek to overturn this tradition. I divide man’s mind into 5, reason, emtion, the empirical senses, the hedonic senses, and action. Each one has an aesthetic component, and a utilitarian component, each one has an intinsic end (quality of life) which can also be used as an extrinsic means (quantity of life, or survival). To possess both qual and quan is Eudaimonia… the highest good.
So man’s mind can be divided into 5 faculties, and their respective ends/means are, from highest to lowest- understanding, happiness, knowledge, pleasure and action. The highest function is aesthetic understanding, and the lowest is aesthetic pleasure. Also worth mentioning, the reason faculty is the mos spiritive one, and the action faculty is the most materitive. Society shall be divided into 5 classes, and each class will be further subdivided into two classes, for a total of ten, but let’s keep things simple for now, so we’ll focus on the 5. The 5 classes shall be- the Philosophers, the ? (I’m not sure at this point what the emotive class would do???), the Scientists, the Agrarians, and the Artisans. Oh, the emotivists are the embodiment and expression of love and hate, perhaps they could be the Politicians… or perhaps not. Each class will be assigned a mathematical value and political privileges.
The Philosophers would have the highest value, but the smallest population (the higher, the fewer), and the greatest share of political power and economic wealth, but also the greatest share of political and economic responsibilities. The other classes would have power too, but their votes would count for less, far less. Yes, some balance of power has to be maintained, otherwise one class may become cancerous, parasitical, but at the same, the more rational must be given priority. There’d be far more equality between the classes than there is today, far more. In general, necessity would be placed above luxury, especially hedonic/material luxury, unnecessary understanding and knowledge would be given priority. So in addition to the 5 classes mentioned above, there’d be a Poltical class and an Economic class. The two classes would govern and facilitate interaction between the 5 other classes, they wouldn’t actually produce anything.
There would be three primary political factions, the regressives (enlil), the progressives (enki) and the conservatives. The United states was founded on political regressivism, though it was also hyper progressive economically, and became more politically progressive and economically regressive overtime. My society would be just the opposite, more Platonic and Spartan, but with some potential for the Aristotelian and the Athenian. Fundamentally rooted in the progressive though, economically and politically, our goal would be to reach the stars, no less than for Omnisymbiote to travel to and seed other worlds. The universe has a beginning but no end, Omnisymbiote is the existential purpose of the universe. There may also be room for 5 parallel, corresponding religious classes, I’m not sure, but they would be much smaller, as the spritual remains ever elusive and esoteric. So altogether 7 classes, and maybe 1 Religious class. The Artisan class would deal with matter and would be the biggest.
Although these days, not much material work needs to be done, so perhaps the biggest class should be the Philosophers, imagine if you can, a society devouted primarily to philosophy… and it would be based primarily on justice, on fairness, as I concieve of it, not on altruism, so much.
Good stuff.
Ever heard of ‘editing’ [no offence meant]? It makes things easier to follow.
As does summarisation present a simplified argument whereby people who arent in your head can get an understanding of what you’re going on about, …before giving up on the idea.
I’ve had no problem following what he’s said. In fact I like the style, separate shorter posts with common themes rather than one massive post.
The concept of the first three is an idea we share. I’m quite fond of Jung’s Collective Unconscious and, for a while now, have held that what some refer to as “God” is no more than the collective entity of man as a swarm creature. Upon further consideration, however, it occurred to me that many animals exhibit key characteristics of man as the superior sentient: The dolphin engages in recreational sex, the elephant is self-aware, the dog shows emotional response and problem solving faculties, the mouse–another problem solver, the bird makes nests (purpose oriented shelter construction from raw materials), a certain hummingbird creates a nest hub around the nest of Cooper’s Hawks (manipulating other animals, in this case, for protection as the hawk is not quick enough to prey on the hummingbird), various ants utilize chemical warfare, some monkeys smoke (among other things), the beaver builds a dam (another constructor), et cetera. This makes them more than simply the body, and what’s more, they are constantly evolving, their sentience coming closer to ours. Does your idea incorporate the “body” becoming the “mind”?
On the fourth paragraph, we start to split a bit (myself from you). I see the greater correlation not to emphasize the five, but to underscore the Fibonacci. We may have five fingers on each hand, but each finger has three joints (the thumb’s third being near the wrist); of hands, we have two; two eyes (unless you count the pineal gland as a third), one nose with two nostrils, two ears, one mouth, et cetera. 0,1,1,3,5,8,13,21,34,55…
I don’t agree with your division of the mind. I’ll expand on my reasoning for that later, as well as discuss what I find wrong with your hierarchical social structure, which, at least on the surface, seems like another attempt at philosopher king rule, sans Plato’s insightful communal life for the Guardians.
“…not much material work needs to be done…”
Au contraire, a very great deal of material work needs to be done. This seems to me the assessment of a bourgeois-upper class individual detached from the reality of the proletariat, not to say the world at large. This world operates on material work, physical labor, blood, sweat and tears. If you would like me to cite some examples, I would be more than happy. For instance, how does our “omnisymbiote” travel across parsec upon parsec, let alone from galaxy to galaxy, without stupendous amounts of “material work”? Even if we somehow arranged two more similar planets into a Klemperer Rosette with ours, simply migrating our planets (after setting one on fire and somehow sustaining that blaze in lieu of a sun) a la Pierson’s Puppeteers, does that not entail ridiculous amounts of work? God forbid we discuss the work involved in creating a Culture Orbital, not even dreaming of something the size of a Ringworld or even more–A Dyson Sphere.
I’ll have the criticism of the mind division and some other issues (philosophers being the largest class, “justice…fairness, how I conceive of it…”, selfishness through a negation of altruism, et cetera) either later today or tomorrow. All in all, better than the last one that got locked.
Your goal is untainable, what does this god society mean the perfect society?
Thank you, feel free to ask any questions, or make any comments, suggestions or criticisms.
Thank you for your input. I’m dealing with an entire civilization here, so it’s difficult to summarize. I find I’m getting better at articulating my internal zeitgeist as time goes on.
I like your energy here, and your drive to be all-encompassing, to engender the grandest considerations and consequences in thought. I haven’t spent enough time with the intricacies of what you’ve said here, but in terms of sheer power and ambition, it seems noteworthy. Granted, this sort of philosophizing tends to be prone to a certain sort of “lack of focus” for the sake of remaining comprehensive and not unduly bound to temporality; what seems most fruitful, for me, has been to take positions like the ones you outline here and try to derive the common threads and themes from them, to pick out that from which they emerge as derivative, especially where such emergence takes the form of a necessity.
Not just man, but I think the entire universe is becoming, becoming God. This is not the monistic Pantheism of Spinoza, this is a new idea. God, as an omniscent, omnipotent being, is something the universe is working towards. Right now, everything is separate from one another, chaos and nonlife rule the universe, but eventually the universe will be less hostile toward life and order, life and order will eventually become so sophisticated and interconnected, it will evolve into a single being, kind of like the borg from star trek, but more organic and spiritual, as I think the organic and the spiritual has something to contribute, along with the mechanical. Every organism on every planet could potentially be a part of this being. As the cells that make up your body were once independent, on their own, through the process of evolutionary symbiosis, they came together to form one collectivized being, you, and some day, the process is already underway, every man, woman and child, so long as they have something positive to contribute to the whole, every animal, plant, machine and robot that can make a positive contribution can become a part of the Omnisymbiote. The world is moving toward integration, it is becoming one being, and once it has, I suspect this being will travel the stars, and encounter other beings. Symbiosis is the law, lifeforms cannot so easily survive on their own, we must get together in order to survive, as a bundle of rods can is difficult to break, but a single rod, is easy to break. This is the law of evolution, evolution is progressive, but the process towards symbiosis is deterministic, it happens mainly within the Darwinian conception of evolution, I have added a spiritual, or conscious element, however, the element complements it, it does not change the essentially deterministic yet coincidental nature of evolution. Symbiosis isn’t perfect, it’s just our best chance for survival, generally speaking, it doesn’t always work. We have to take advantage of the positive whilst avoiding the negative. Spiritual and physical cancers, weeds must be eliminated, you see, this symbiosis is fundamentally fascistic in it’s premises, however, the individual and the lesser won’t be completely trampled over, but it’s a hard, cold fact of life, we must not weaklings and parasites slow us down, we must be prepared for an alien invasion, or natural disasters, a comet, prepared to defend the Omnisymbiote whiche we’re not presently all a part of, but will be, as we continue to integrate, more and more. You see, God is in the making, evolutionary pantheism, or progressive pantheism, chaos, matter and competition, eventually leading to greater order, spirit and cooperation. It is the reversal of Monotheism, for in Monotheism, God begets the universe, in my conception, the universe gives birth to God, it is not yet the equivalent of God, for we, the components of God, are at odds with each other.
Right, perhaps certain animals can participate in the mind of God, but surely human beings are far, far superior in intelligence, and I do not believe humans aren’t entirely indigenous to this planet, I believe we have some alien DNA, but as I’m sure you haven’t done any alternative research on these matters, I’m sure this will sound rather ridiculous to you, and I’m not asking you to take my word for it, as I’m not certain myself, I’m just give you my perspective. There is a significant gap between the mind of man and the mind of most animals, and I can’t see chimpanzees, dolphins, pigs, parrots, elephants and crows making any significant contributions to science, philosophy, logic or mathematics, anytime soon, unless we were to genetically engineer them, or breed them for intelligence, like we bred dogs to be more intelligent, although, dogs are good at following orders and memorizing their masters commands, most of them aren’t good problem solvers, are domesitication of them hasn’t increased their capacity to critically reason, if anything, it has somewhat diminished it. I’m for eventually genetically engineering ourselves, cautiously, and other animals, very cautiously, however, I think we should devout ourselves to other matters first, like the cultiviation of a new order, a new society, take care of some of the mistakes we’ve made, before we reach again for higher realms. Man suffers from an excess of material evolution and a deficiency of spiritual and philosophical revolution, we must catch up in other areas before we’re sufficiently wise to entertain engineering matter further than we have all ready, otherwise, dire consequences may follow as a result.
I agree, in the sense that cooperation is the condition of competition. Unlike what so many Darwinists, empiricists, Nietzscheans, Randians, what have you, seem to think, all entities, all beings are firstly a cooperative construct, an organization around certain vital central pillars or points. It is this organizing principle that is what allows competition in the first place; while competition certainly generates more opportunities for productive (and destructive) encounters (indeed competition is quite necessary), we see that it is predicated on a sufficiency of the cooperative.
So is it fair to say that, in the total scheme of the progresive evolution of this omnisymbiote, nothing “bad” can happen with respect to it? That, when we are talking spiritually here as well as biologically-mechanistically, the interconnection serves to, through whatever happens, provide a context in which all destructions are, as with Nietzsche, creative destructions, serving the higher end of evolution of a stronger, more total and more consummate organism? Rather, let me be more specific: does your perspective here lead to the inevitable implication that “nothing matters”, that whatever we do to either further or hinder the development of this omnisymbiote is, in the final analysis, futile?
Well, I see man as fundamentally five, but that is difficult to demonstrate, it is more a product of intuition, I suppose, but not entirely I would think. We have two eyes, but we have five senses, split into two, because of the left/right brain dichotomy, one of the halves is more primitive and integrated with the body than the other. The right brain, eye, ear, and so on, I would think is the more primitive aspect of the five. Anyway, consider the mind, I have divided into actions, hedonic sense (pleasure and pain, sweet and sour, hunger, sex, etc), empirical sense (high and low, up and down, rough and smooth, etc), emotion (self explanatory) and reason (also fairly self explanatory). If human beings are the mind of the burgeoning God, who is presently in an embryonic state, then we ought to divide ourselves on similar lines, specialize, integration, specialization and collaboration is what it is about, it is what the entire history of this planet has amounted to, we are the end result, the capstone on the pyramid, who will assemble all the disparate and conflicting elements, this animal and that animal, this plant and that plant, this resource and that resource, into a unity. What happend to humans and other animals is now happening to all of us. As each cell came together to form you, the collections of cells are now coming together to form one megaform. This is the meaning of the universe. To reiterate, the five classes are, the philosophers (reason), and I should add I am revising as I go along, the scientists (the empirical sense), the Agrarians (the hedonic sense), the politicians/economists (emotion, conditional hate and conditional love), and the artisans (action). As I said before, there may be a spiritual class, or classes, as well, I think we should further explore the spiritual, I think our spiritual sense faculties and our spiritive action faculty, if it indeed exists, is grossly underdeveloped. Reason and the empirical sense deals with facts, mainly, and emotion and the hedonic sense deals with values. Action is our ability to affect the world, reason, empiricism, hedonism and emotivism is our capacity for the mind to be effected by the material world. We may aslo have ways of interacting with the spiritual world, being effected by it, and affecting it, the spirit world being subject without object, subjects interacting with each other without matter, but we lack access to it, at present.
What all this essentially amounts to is luciferianism, we can only become God by merging with others, an individual is impotent to become a God, which is why we built the tower of babel, and God crushed it. God is actually an extraterrestrial civilization from outside or in are solar system, that is thousands or millions of times more advanced than ours. Or perhaps it’s all myth, I’m not sure, I’m sure we’ll find out this century. The alien civilization had two factions, one that wanted to use early humans as slaves, and only genetically engineer and cultivate our dependent reasoning faculties (these were the enlil faction), the other wanted to awaken cromagnon mans higher, independent, critical thinking, reasoning faculties (these were the enki faction). Enki, Lucifer, is the father of human beings, the friend of humanity, it is Jehovah who wanted to keep us as slaves, or animals. The garden of eden is really an experimental research colony. Haha, by now, no doubt, you’re thinking I’m insane, but in any case, see the work of zechariah sitchin and erich von daniken. The final battle will be between those who want to rebuild the tower of babel and reach the stars, and those who want to return to nature, and lead a primitive existence, or those who wish to become slaves of enlil. I have made my choice, I am a Luciferian, I am a Satanist, but Satanism isn’t hedonic primitivism, he is love, peace, unity, man taking his own destiny into his hands, reaching for the stars and becoming God. High, human civilization is the epitome of Lucifer, now who’s side are you own, join satyr and the primitivists (as I once considered, on numerous occasions), the blind obedient christians, muslims and jews, are satan, which is it going to be? Progressivism, in it’s most radical and conditional form, is Satan!
All in all, what all this amounts to, is the worship