Transcendence Is Religious Bullshit

Whether it’s the ostensibly secular Nietzsche spinning his “higher man” theology or some hippy discovering LSD for the first time convinced that he’s unlocked the secrets of the universe, it’s the same thing. Intellectual or spiritual or both - if you think there is a higher state of being, you are not living in the real world, and if you are not living in the real world you are lying to yourself. Yeah, some people are wiser than others - generally the people who admit they really don’t know anything. Those who think they’ve glimpsed some exclusive vision of truth beyond what “normal man” is capable of grasping are trafficking in religion and mythology. Like religious myths, those myths may be useful - providing refuge for the frightened, an escape from the mundane, etc - but they are not realities. We are all human, we all have the same basic set of epistemic limitations. Einstein’s visions were replicable and explainable, they where not exclusive to him alone or an elite subset of his disciples - they can be made sense of by the average mentally capable person, and this is the proof that they are real - or at least, on the right track toward describing reality. If you see something exclusive to you, it’s called an illusion, not enlightenment. Enlightenment truths are those which are open, in principle, to anyone - those which can be explained and accounted for beyond the simple assertion that “I see it and if you don’t, you’re blind” - In other words: those “truths” who’s TRUTH DOES NOT depend intrinsically on the majority of people being incapable of grasping it.

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I wouldn’t call it either, I’d call it “something exclusive to me”.

I kind of agree with your OP. But “transcendence” is a pretty simple concept. I occasionally need to remind myself that reality transcends any of my conceptions about it. “It”? haha

Yes reality can transcend our conceptions, but our conceptions cannot transcend reality.

Clearly, you’ve never played music.

An appreciation of music is not exclusive to the musician - and it can be learned.

oh?

that someone may have grasped and understood something you have not - this is an intolerable thought to you, huh? :laughing:

who said truth was for the majority?

not intolerable, unlikely

who said truth wasn’t for the majority?

Of course.

take a look around

if you look at the majority, and see truth comprehended in the majority…

well, it is unlikely you yourself have comprehended much of anything

that’s not an argument - it’s self-aggrandizing pap. what do you know that’s unknown by most?

Appreciation isn’t. The experience of creating it is.

That is a bold statement. Do you not back it up because you take it for self-evident?

i know what i am

do you?

That is a bold statement. Do you not back it up because you take it for self-evident?
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our epistemic limitations are biological, physical - they are more or less the same from person to person - i’m not saying no one is smarter than anyone else - i’m just saying that what can be known is defined by HUMAN limitations rather than individual ones

i have an idea, yes - and it’s one that i can account for and share with the rest of the world.

i’m not sure you do or can

but if you can share, then by all means share

this thread is not about your mystique as an individual, Amor - as i am talking to you, it is clear i have an idea of who/what you are - you are a fellow philosopher on a message board - i have my own rational and psychological ideas about your constitution and personality (as i am sure you do about mine), but i am not here to discuss you - i’m here to talk about philosophy, and knowledge in general - not the intimate facts of my fellow posters’ lives, which really don’t bear on the topic . . .or, if you think they do, then explain how.

What is human is defined by adding up all the individuals. Not by extrapolating from what you think you know about a few of them.

and you miss the point

i’m asking about you, or me, or anyone here - how about you specifically - what are you?

what is it to be human?

now i expect you’ll give me some canned answer from your evolutionary biology class

in which case, again i’ll tell you that you miss the point

how do you add up all the individuals to define what is human without extrapolating from what you think you know about them?

and what bearing does that have on transcendence as a source of knowledge?

ugly, when one speaks of transcendence, what is it you think they mean?

what are people supposedly transcending?