Transcendency?

[Gobbo]

lol. ok check out this quick snippet.

youtube.com/watch?v=xp0vr1n25u4

[Ierrellus]

@James S Saint

@Ierrellus

Scientism? If you knew me well enough, you’d know I don’t adhere to any view of science that excludes the religious need. In agreeing that what we call trancendence is another “state of mind” I’m not negating the experience; I’m only putting it in the real world in which we exist. Let’s say I’m an American Native who uses peyote in religious ceremonies. Is my high trancendence or an experience of what minds can actually do? What I object to is the ethereal and abstract in speculations that separate body, mind and spirit in order to propagate religious dogma that simply does not apply universally; and universality is a religious claim. I sometimes experience synaesthesia, and I’m not on drugs. Is this transcedence or simply an excursion into the possibilites inherent in the human mind?

You are confusing the delusional feeling of transcendence with the actual state of real transcending the spiritual cause of normal delusion (misperception of reality). Drugs cannot cause actual transcendence. The IQ improving drugs allowed only to government people now, go in the right direction, but are a long way from causing transcendence. They merely raise the capability of the brain a little. They do not push it into rationality.

@Ierrellus

JSJ,
Why do you seem unable to reconcile immanence and transcendence in the real world of human experience?

What you are calling the “real world” isn’t as real as you think. That is why they call it transcending the typical delusions. Perhaps watch “The Matrix” just to get the picture in hyperbole and metaphor.

Why can’t you explain the reality of the Internet to your cat?

It really takes the right type of intelligence capability along with the psychological understandings and experiences associated with it to either truly understand it or to experience it.

I should probably be offended. You are far off base in assigning me motives I do not have, opinions I do not share and your poor estimate of my understanding. I’ve seen the matrix movies; they do not move me because I’ve also seen examples of the resilience of the human spirit; but, if it makes you feel good to believe in virtual reality, all I can say is that you are missing out on so much good that is here and now real. I don’t think I can debate with you and your fanatasies.

[jim]

It seems to me that “Transcendency” can only be truly meaningful in a cosmological sense. How are all subjective understandings of it not merely tentative, at best? It seems to have been used in the subjective, experiential sense only, in here so far. Doesn’t one have to assume, then, that there is a larger “spiritual” or non-empirical realm within the Cosmos? Or do we have capacities not attributable to atheistic evolution, which would seem to prohibit such capacities? Or if some subjective experiences are actually transcending our material realm, is that new realm extra-cosmological, as well. I know I’ve repeated myself, sorry.
I’m a philosophical neophyte. But experiential “Transcendency” seems to me to be a “best Guess” scenario.

[Ierrellus]

@jim

It seems to me that “Transcendency” can only be truly meaningful in a cosmological sense. How are all subjective understandings of it not merely tentative, at best? It seems to have been used in the subjective, experiential sense only, in here so far. Doesn’t one have to assume, then, that there is a larger “spiritual” or non-empirical realm within the Cosmos? Or do we have capacities not attributable to atheistic evolution, which would seem to prohibit such capacities? Or if some subjective experiences are actually transcending our material realm, is that new realm extra-cosmological, as well. I know I’ve repeated myself, sorry.
I’m a philosophical neophyte. But experiential “Transcendency” seems to me to be a “best Guess” scenario.

=D> Wecome aboard!

[James_S_Saint]

@Ierrellus

I should probably be offended. You are far off base in assigning me motives I do not have, opinions I do not share and your poor estimate of my understanding. I’ve seen the matrix movies; they do not move me because I’ve also seen examples of the resilience of the human spirit; but, if it makes you feel good to believe in virtual reality, all I can say is that you are missing out on so much good that is here and now real. I don’t think I can debate with you and your fanatasies.

Interesting that you should espouse such since I said nothing of motives at all, nor of your opinions. So who is really doing the fantasizing?

And yes, you can’t debate with me, and “your” fantasies.

[Ierrellus]

JSJ,
To reduce our differences of opinion to ad hominems and fantasies is, even when I’m guilty of it, infantile. Grow up! I try hard to appreciate others’ points of view unless they do not make common sense. I cannot see you as doing likewise. Perhaps you’ll feel better by getting the last word on this; but that, too, is infantile! I’d rather not talk to anyone so closed-minded. ( My HOP)

[James_S_Saint]

@James S Saint

@Ierrellus

Scientism? If you knew me well enough, you’d know I don’t adhere to any view of science that excludes the religious need. In agreeing that what we call trancendence is another “state of mind” I’m not negating the experience; I’m only putting it in the real world in which we exist. Let’s say I’m an American Native who uses peyote in religious ceremonies. Is my high trancendence or an experience of what minds can actually do? What I object to is the ethereal and abstract in speculations that separate body, mind and spirit in order to propagate religious dogma that simply does not apply universally; and universality is a religious claim. I sometimes experience synaesthesia, and I’m not on drugs. Is this transcedence or simply an excursion into the possibilites inherent in the human mind?

You are confusing the delusional feeling of transcendence with the actual state of real transcending the spiritual cause of normal delusion (misperception of reality). Drugs cannot cause actual transcendence. The IQ improving drugs allowed only to government people now, go in the right direction, but are a long way from causing transcendence. They merely raise the capability of the brain a little. They do not push it into rationality.

@Ierrellus

JSJ,
Why do you seem unable to reconcile immanence and transcendence in the real world of human experience?

What you are calling the “real world” isn’t as real as you think. That is why they call it transcending the typical delusions. Perhaps watch “The Matrix” just to get the picture in hyperbole and metaphor.

Why can’t you explain the reality of the Internet to your cat?

It really takes the right type of intelligence capability along with the psychological understandings and experiences associated with it to either truly understand it or to experience it.

Is what I said.

@Ierrellus

JSJ,
To reduce our differences of opinion to ad hominems and fantasies is, even when I’m guilty of it, infantile. Grow up!

Well since I gave NO ad homs at all, again, we are talking only about your fantasy. When you read someone saying that your view is a mistake, YOU call it a “ad hominem” and “infantile”. You don’t actually address the conflict. You just address your opponent with ad hominids and as usual, reverse the charges. You are shouting at the mirror.