# Triadic First Principle(s)
**URL:** https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/triadic-first-principle-s/85402
**Category:** Philosophy
**Created:** [May 14, 2026, 11:42am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/triadic-first-principle-s/85402 "2026-05-14T11:42:58Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@niallm](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/niallm)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2026, 4:01pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/triadic-first-principle-s/85402/41 "2026-05-17T16:01:14Z")
Probably, aye.
15 characters.
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### Author:  [@PerpetuallyCurious](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/PerpetuallyCurious)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2026, 4:04pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/triadic-first-principle-s/85402/42 "2026-05-17T16:04:20Z")
This does not answer my question. Do you know what a principle is?
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2026, 4:15pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/triadic-first-principle-s/85402/43 "2026-05-17T16:15:18Z")
More or less… why are you asking me?
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### Author:  [@PerpetuallyCurious](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/PerpetuallyCurious)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2026, 4:48pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/triadic-first-principle-s/85402/44 "2026-05-17T16:48:59Z")
I was just curious since you were talking about first principles. My own definition is a general truth on which other truths depend. In the case of an axiom, it would be a universal principle on which all truths depend.
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2026, 1:07am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/triadic-first-principle-s/85402/45 "2026-05-18T01:07:46Z")
That may or may not be flip-flopped. Depending who you ask.
I kept at it with Copilot and they are building an all out taxonomy. but I feel like that’s getting too down in the weeds and asking people to agree on too much that is not….my focus.
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [May 18, 2026, 1:27am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/triadic-first-principle-s/85402/46 "2026-05-18T01:27:34Z")
I did not title that thread, which I did not start:
> [@Language as Contradiction](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/language-as-contradiction/85421/33):
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> Axiom of Being: The law of identity provides a stable “what it is”/correspondence.
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> Axiom of Action: The law of excluded middle selects determinatively.
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> Axiom of Quality: The law of non-contradiction prevents self-contradiction into impossibility/incoherence.
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [May 22, 2026, 11:54am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/triadic-first-principle-s/85402/47 "2026-05-22T11:54:45Z")
> [@Ichthus77](#):
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> As you can see, these first principles are standalone conclusions that serve as premises for each other, so that they do not truly stand alone, and can only stand together.
The original post has been updated with this^ and the three axioms in my last reply.
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### Author:  [@Lorikeet](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Lorikeet)
#### Post date: [May 26, 2026, 3:09pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/triadic-first-principle-s/85402/48 "2026-05-26T15:09:54Z")
Triadic First Principles…based on |Plato’s psyche…
Subject - willful, intentional, needy
Objective - goal, promising satisfaction to the subject, ideal,
Effort - distance, resistance to be overcome for the subject to attain its objectives.
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [May 26, 2026, 3:58pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/triadic-first-principle-s/85402/49 "2026-05-26T15:58:20Z")
Do you think of his triadic personhood (ground) in terms of the original, though?
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### Author:  [@Lorikeet](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Lorikeet)
#### Post date: [May 26, 2026, 4:12pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/triadic-first-principle-s/85402/50 "2026-05-26T16:12:15Z")
There is no original…no Platonic ideal.
Everything is fluid.
Overestimating or underestimating either of the three points in the triangle, will bear a cost…to the subject…
Survival of the fittest.
In modern systems errors in judgment is protected and warped by systemic interventions.
This has a cost, as well…like compounding unfit mutations, resulting in the insanity of transsexualism.
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [May 26, 2026, 6:40pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/triadic-first-principle-s/85402/51 "2026-05-26T18:40:07Z")
Really? Even the fluid/fluidity isn’t original? Not really sure you’ve thought this one through.
Fine. It’s my fault because I said his instead of their.
…but you do realize you come off sounding very … wait … are you talking about memetic mutations?
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### Author:  [@niallm](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/niallm)
#### Post date: [May 26, 2026, 7:03pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/triadic-first-principle-s/85402/52 "2026-05-26T19:03:59Z")
> [@Lorikeet](#):
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> Survival of the fittest.
Please explain what this phrase means when applied to animals that depend on social grouping like humans.
Is wealth a measure of fitness?
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### Author:  [@Lorikeet](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Lorikeet)
#### Post date: [May 26, 2026, 9:01pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/triadic-first-principle-s/85402/53 "2026-05-26T21:01:09Z")
Wealth is a measure of group approval.
In the American Empire of Lies, it is a substitute for salvation.
Money = Messiah.
Salvation from what?
Nature’s injustices… Modern Americanized individuals use money - gained through submission, ironically - to compensate for an impoverished genetic inheritance…to put it bluntly, what they lack in physical and mental fitness markers they make up for with money.
From natural selection we get social selection, and females continue to be the filtering agencies.
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What is social behavior?
A compensation for individual lack.
Through collectives individual disadvantages are converted into advantages.
Moral behavior is found among ALL social species, or all species that practice cooperative survival and reproductive strategies.
Man simply encodes these behaviors - converts them to words/symbols, and then makes amendments to facilitate larger cooperatives that would not normally, naturally, have developed in the wild.
Such manmade and maintained environments are often antithetical to nature…offering salvation to individuals that submit to them.
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### Author:  [@niallm](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/niallm)
#### Post date: [May 26, 2026, 9:09pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/triadic-first-principle-s/85402/54 "2026-05-26T21:09:32Z")
I have no argument against any of that
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### Author:  [@Lorikeet](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Lorikeet)
#### Post date: [May 26, 2026, 9:12pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/triadic-first-principle-s/85402/55 "2026-05-26T21:12:12Z")
Why would anyone have an argument against the truth?
I don’t make this up, nor do I benefit from it… I report it.
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### Author:  [@niallm](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/niallm)
#### Post date: [May 26, 2026, 9:28pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/triadic-first-principle-s/85402/56 "2026-05-26T21:28:48Z")
I guess I’ve just seen “survival of the fittest” used as an excuse for financial gluttony so much in my travels that it compels me to ask what is meant by it. Maybe I was expecting the stock answer, pleasantly surprised not to receive it.
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### Author:  [@Lorikeet](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Lorikeet)
#### Post date: [May 26, 2026, 9:31pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/triadic-first-principle-s/85402/57 "2026-05-26T21:31:23Z")
Nature is governed by natural selection - advantageous mutations are passed on, disadvantageous mutations are filtered, culled, out of the gene pool.
What we have here is man’s intervention upon this process…
Natural selection becomes social selection…and what is considered advantageous and disadvantageous is determined by the culture’s ideology…
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### Author:  [@niallm](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/niallm)
#### Post date: [May 26, 2026, 9:44pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/triadic-first-principle-s/85402/58 "2026-05-26T21:44:04Z")
For creatures like us, cooperation and contribution are desirable traits. But we’ve been hypnotised to believe the opposite, that vast personal accumulation is a sign of great strength.
I do think that people are waking up to this though. I call the thieves corpos, know why? Because there are lots of derogatory terms for the less fortunate: trailer trash being one of them, but what do we call the pigs at the trough? Not many bad words there to choose from. Funny that.
To find out who is in charge is pretty easy, just need to observe who we are not allowed to criticise…
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### Author:  [@Lorikeet](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Lorikeet)
#### Post date: [May 26, 2026, 9:47pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/triadic-first-principle-s/85402/59 "2026-05-26T21:47:14Z")
As long as you understand that this is a sign of weakness.
Accumulation is a sign of Hebraic slave ethics…the miser collects and hoards.
In pagan culture they displayed strength by splurging their wealth.
Hoarding is a sign of weakness…insecurity.
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### Author:  [@niallm](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/niallm)
#### Post date: [May 26, 2026, 9:57pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/triadic-first-principle-s/85402/60 "2026-05-26T21:57:25Z")
They’re going to fail. The younger generation is getting wise to them. The corpos still think that 1980’s yuppie culture is a thing.
We’re heading towards a distributed system, because the internet is distributed, and that’s the new information substrate.
The old hierarchies are being shrugged off, they will either reconfigure and adapt, or collapse. Many in the US believe that the way their country is run and what they “value” is mostly the same abroad. It certainly is not.
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