Good! That is now two points we agree on - further progress… =D>
Very little. It is evident that very many US officials and politicians are compromised (extorted, not merely corrupt or socialists).
Not the “law itself” but the people appointed to enact it. From all I have seen it is a certainty. The problem seems to be that you haven’t seen what I have seen because our ethics don’t appear that much different. Our experiences seem to be the difference.
By far most of the “hearings” were not actually hearings but requests for hearing that got denied for a variety of reasons. They never got to present their evidence. I don’t think most of those involved corruption but rather procedural snaphoos. Yet there are some that obviously involved biased rulings.
And manufactured all of the video evidence? Got over 1000 people to commit to perjury?
Who is really the conspiracy theorist here?
If you want to argue the on-hand evidence - two things - first you are going to be outclassed and second your arguments are going to be futile because you are still missing the point.
ALL the Trumpers have been asking is for a careful and true audit. Why would the Bidens object? By not allowing and resisting an audit, Mr Hidin, Lyin Biden is just provoking the division and conflict - making himself and his associates look really bad. What if Mr Trump had done that during the Russia hoax? If there was no fraud, as has been pushed (“this has been the most perfect election in American history”) then why any objection to investigation? Mr Trump allowed extreme and insidious investigation into that Russia conspiracy theory. He revealed the actual conversation concerning Ukraine. He hid almost nothing at all from extreme enemies who were later found to be criminal themselves.
What is the Left hiding if not the evident fraud?
Only infinitesimally. And could have been cleared up months ago. But the Left, MSM, the Bidens, and well known criminal players all resisted ANY investigation of the evident fraud. The probability that there really was fraud is far far far more extreme than the tiny minuscule possibility the somehow Mr Trump managed to get all those people to commit perjury and all those videos to be faked.
Get real!
Good. If you honestly keep that up you might actually break that TDS and feel horribly betrayed as the Trumpers already do.
The dems spent 4 years accusing Trump, Putin and some corrupt republicans of stealing the election from them, so how could one just dismiss the possibility dems, the Chinese and never Trumpers stole the election from Trump?
It is not outside the realm of possibility, it is on the table.
Ok then, at least philosophically, how does the comment that for sake of an indissoluble problem, leading to either civil or international war, or. rather than the aforementioned suit at this moment in time cessesion - the expedient and prude manner of proceeding would favor a compromise .
Great Compromises to avert the above would become necessary at certain points. Remember Henry Clay failed, but it still forestalled the invetible, and there are parallel issues here between slavery of the body in those past times, and those of the mind in these days of BLM, not?
How are you going to compromise a red or blue decision when the blue is committed to utterly destroying the nation and the red is committed to cleaning it up?
It is a diametrically opposed situation. Even if willing to destroy only a part of the nation, that isn’t one of the only options available. It is either total destruction or cleaning it up. And truly the ENTIRE WORLD will suffer the consequences.
And over 20 states believed the elections in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin were improperly conducted, leaving them wide open to fraud, you can’t just dismiss over 20 states offhand, even if the supreme court did for whatever reasons, not sure how thoroughly SCOTUS examined their claims and evidence, if at all.
That’s not just Trump and his lawyers, that is over 20 states, that is very serious.
Not sure if red states will be able to live with blue and vice versa after all this.
I am guessing that SCOTUS denied the relief request from Texas because the proclaimed damage to Texas voters had not YET occurred because Mr Hidin, Lyin Biden hasn’t become the President elect yet. that is a “lack of Standing” (even for the President).
We live in Two separate and Divided countries. There is no more “United” States of America.
I’m tired of Blue, Communist propaganda, lies, and corruption. However, when the populations congregate, you know the Communists will come begging to the Red, American, Patriotic states. Because we represent the Military. They do not. And that is the bottom-line in the end, when it actually matters.
Nice taunt, doesn’t change Widespread Voter Fraud though. We have the evidence and proof. If you want to bury your head in the sand, that’s your prerogative. The country will not wait for you and your ilk.
Well, to balance out all this agreement we seem to be suffering as of late, I have to disagree here. I have a lot of respect for the legal system.
This goes without saying. Two people are going to have different experiences - hence my respect for the legal system and you having little respect for it.
The problem is how to bridge multiple differing experiences in such a way as to arrive at the most likely truth of the situation.
You and others have been scouring for evidence to support the fraud hypothesis. To someone who is simply waiting to hear what the top professionals and experts of the legal system have to conclude, and in the meantime acknowledging what bystanders have to say in proportion to the validity of their take relative to those who earned a place to be involved in the actual outcome, can you see how it’s possible that you come across as having decided what the truth is before you arrived at it, so to speak? How much effort have you put into the counter case? Be honest. Believable objectivity goes a long way to attracting my attention. You have a fair amount of backpeddling to perform to this end, unfortunately, but the last thing I want to do is be a hypocrite and decide your take is invalid before I’ve concluded as much.
Noted. Still sounds pretty damning at this point, or at least expected for a case with this much of a can of worms riding on it - to mix metaphors.
I would fully expect plenty of his devotees to band together to try and support his accusations of fraud, even without his involvement - that would be a conspiracy theory, sure. Hardly on the same level as flat-earthers, and certainly not one that I need to be true. I just wouldn’t be surprised because human behaviour sees this kind of desperation all the time. There’s consideration of conspiracy, and there’s really going all out for it to be true. I am a skeptic, sue me. I’d expect just as much skepticism from others presenting as lovers of philosophy.
Oh, I have no doubt that you have tons of what you consider to be evidence. By contrast, I know that what I think, whether I go as hard as you have or not, will have absolutely no bearing on the outcome. I’ve no interest in either being able to say “I told you so” or being foiled as a zealot who still can’t come to terms with the outcome. I can understand objective curiosity, and making up one’s own mind as a casual exercise merely for its own sake, maybe even a playful exchange of “ooo look at this point of view” or “wow, can you imagine if this turned out to be genuine?” with others etc. I guess there’s an element of a sports voyeurism here - I just don’t need to be a member of an exclusive club of people who knew the secret truth all along, unlike most anyone else, thus making me special and either able to stew with impotent frustration in an echo chamber with other members, or gloat with an undeserved sense of pride and achievement vicariously through the work of others. I dunno if any of that fits you, but from what I can tell so far it doesn’t at least seem that far off. Just being honest.
Yeah, trying to be real here - as above. I dunno, maybe you enjoy detective novels n stuff? They’re okay I guess.
Would be pretty crazy if the courts actually ruled with Trump, not gonna lie. The thing about this is that even a mistake on a technicality can influence the result. I’m assuming that’s what Trump’s team are trying to force by sheer perseverence. Fortunately for the legal system, it’s hard for just anyone to come out and accuse someone on the off-chance that they’ll likely get a result in their favour. We could all do without the witchhunt mentality that has disgraced human history when you let partisan groups run amok. I’m gonna go ahead and have nothing to do with that.
I’m sure you really do feel horribly betrayed, and I don’t envy you. I felt a little betrayed when Trump got in in the first place even though he lost the popular vote by a few million - not for any love of Hillary, just out of despair for the Electoral College system, or at least its recent state. I dunno, was there fraud there too? Only by the dems of course. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a little fraud in every US election ever conducted - not that that excuses it, but just by probability. I’d rather there was none, but it’s enough that I doubt that it’s impossible for the Trump team could find some. As explained elsewhere, there is no TDS to break. Just coz I despise the guy doesn’t mean it has to class as a pathology.
The Liberal-Left are convinced of their own lies. Bernie sold-out as soon as the DNC opened a door for him. The Left was never anti-Establishment, except in “theory”.
Bad-mouthing Trump and complaining about the Establishment is a logical contradiction at this point. He’s done what no Populist has ever dreamed of whether you love or hate him doesn’t even matter.
Sil is a coward who refuses to debate me openly, because he’ll lose and he knows it.
I believe he convinces himself that he is anti-establishment, but for all intent & purpose, he is not. He’s another rube, drinking the DNC narrative. Worse than that, he’s a Determinist and doesn’t believe in Liberty.
I agree with that. And very many are in that boat. What effect they have is starkly different than what you actually want. I believe I covered that on a post in here somewhere.
And trying to get that straight seems to be the greater issue. TDS certainly prevents even civil discussion concerning Mr Trump’s roll in ensuring that the US does NOT become communist. It just takes too much calm discussion and correcting embedded misinformation…
The Liberal-Left are so obsessed with power that they will do anything it takes to take it, including destroying themselves, which is what they’ve done. They have effectively destroyed the Republic and our Constitution. With no faith in the Electoral process, there really is no point in “voting” in future elections. Why vote when only the DNC counters do the actual “voting”? If that’s the way they want to play this out, and they do, then the Conservative-Right will need to adjust. And this adjustment is going down the path where no reconciliation can take place between the two halves of this country. The writing is on the wall.
If 50% of the country believes one thing (Trump is President), and the other country believes another thing (Biden is “President”), then what happens?
History tells this story; we all know what’s next.
