Trump to deport aliens immediately

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So on this morning talk shows, Paul Ryan said Trumpf had no
plans to deport anyone annnnnnnd tonight
on 60 minutes, Trumpf apparently says, he will begin deporting Mexicans
as soon as he is president…

Now the economic consequences of this action cannot be underestimated,
unless you are willing to pick crop at 4 bucks an hour, there will not be
anyone to pick our crops… Food prices will soar like you wouldn’t believe
Here in California, there are already fields that go unpicked because of
the lack of workers… multiply this by thousands of fields and
it will not end well… you ready for a $5 tomato and head of lettuce
at 10 bucks a pop… Expect food prices to climb in a big way by the end of
next year and by the following year to really grow… and we will have
economic consequences of a different kind… it is estimated that
in the hospitality industry, hotels and the like, that in the US,
Hispanics hold maybe 5 million jobs… so getting your room cleaned
when in a hotel, will get rather dicey… Restaurants have a large
presence of Hispanics working in them… in my area of California,
if you deport the aliens here, half the restaurants in the San Francisco
area will close down… not to mention all the other jobs they do…
but let us not forget the taxes they pay… it is estimated that aliens
pay over 20 billion dollars in taxes… how do we make up that money?
I suspect a conservative estimate of how much Trumps deportation will
cost will range from 30 to 60 BILLION dollars… how do we make up this financial
shortfall? Oh, not to mention the massive tax cuts the GOP will give the
top 1%… that alone will cost America over 100 billion dollars, so
how do we make up the loss in revenue? the estimate cost of repealing
Obamacare will cost over 10 billion dollars, so, how do we replace that lost
in revenue? the GOP only cares about debt when its around election time…
So within the first 4 years of Trumpf presidency, the damage to America will
be well over 150 billion dollars… but hay, no more aliens, right?
oh, wait, we have million of aliens of other nationalities here, what about
them? they don’t count because they look more like us, white like us,
not those brown dirty Hispanics…

as for Paul Ryan, seems that the GOP team is already in
mass confusion…

Kropotkin

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Good. Maybe he can cut them a deal- they can stay if they go to work building the wall. Unless they’re rapists, then OUT OUT OUT!

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K: you really don’t have very good reasoning skills, do you?
Shown the economic cost of deporting aliens and all you
can say is "OUT OUT OUT? there is a cost to actions…
but you seem to be blind to those cost… no wonder
you are a republican…

Kropotkin

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They need to head back to Mexico, and get in line for seasonal work, I believe the minimal wage for a LEGAL seasonal agricultural worker is $9 untaxed a hour.

This is good, food prices will go up, and as a result, price of labor. More jobs will also be created, both Americans will be put to work, and LEGAL aliens will have access to banking, the law, police, etc without incriminations, easier to start a business and claim ties to the US for permanent immigration.

I’m happy to deport every illegal who fucks up and breaks a law. I’m enthusiastic to bring in people who want to play by our rules, work legitimately, and openly earn and invest either in the US or in Mexico.

Mexico isn’t being told it has no economic relation to the US, our ties will increasingly grow stronger Post-NAFTA after the initial adjustment. Their drug cartels will go through a nasty viscious phase as the drug routes dissapear, in their place, local banks will grow stronger, foreign repatriation of wealth will occur more openly- we will never completely cease trade, it will just become more balanced. Mexico has a lot of well educated engineers, they can use the Trump Years to rebuild Mexico into something better.

I honestly would prefer our smart phones to be Mexican built rather than Chinese built. It is a time for openness and ideas.

The old liberal policy of Hispanic slave labor is dead. We will have to radically expand our LEGAL WORKER programs. Nobody is opposed to LEGAL WORKERS. They get special protections under law for being foreigners, especially seasonal workers, the slave labor system used in places like San Francisco offer them absolutely nothing. If you don’t work for nothing, your expendable.

The Battle For Human Rights Is The Battle Against Progressives.

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“Shown the economic costs”? You make it sound like I read your posts, PK.

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Not to mention how to pay for in sourcing lost jobs. How much will the tax rate would need to be raised to do that?

Any guesstimate would be appreciated. And remember that was the centerfold of his agenda.

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according to the American action forum deporting all undocumented immigrants
could shrink the economy by 2% in one year… Now for example, Arizona enacted
its law called SB 1070 the state lost 250 million dollars and 3,000 jobs…
Alabama pass a similar law in 2011 and the economic loss was estimated
to be 11 billion dollars… Just one state… this doesn’t include the
actually cost of finding, holding and deporting aliens which is estimated
to be about 10,000 dollars per person which has to run into the billions…
even deporting say half of the estimated 13 million aliens will cost
billions of dollars… how does anyone suggest we make up this shortfall?

Kropotkin

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We only pay for the increased labor of Government employees to process additional LEGAL workers overseas. This will be substantially offset via the taxes to Medicare and other programs once people legally on the books get legal jobs, paying taxes for the first time in years, instead of under the table taking only what they could.

A lot of people are brutally underpaid or unemployed. Most the left could ever say was increase the minimum wage, but this does literally nothing because the cost of everything goes up in ratio adjusted.

This is going to be the first time the underground employment market will get flushed out. Costs will go up, but so will actual de jure employment. This means economic participation of the workers, they get rights. It isn’t lost in legal shadiness.

It is the Emancipation of Man, vs the usual Liberal Enslavement.

If a business folds because it can’t suddenly get labor, it is because it either refused to hire locals or legal immigrants at a fair rate, one they want to work at, or because they’ve historically undercut everyone else in labor costs to the point that having legal employment wasn’t cost effective anymore. We don’t need such businesses around anymore, goodbye.

If I accept Jerkey’s and Kropotkin’s vile arguments, then logically, we would have to return to child factory labor, so little kids can put their hands between working gears to unjam equipment for mere pennies a hour. That’s a deeply fucked up mindset, and it is Uaamericican.

The fight against Liberalism is the fight for workers rights! Defy the Oppressors!

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Imagine liberals giving a shit about things like labor costs, business profit margins, and keeping prices low.

Something must be afoot!

This is one of those situations where the left doesn’t believe their own argument. They’re just saying this shit because “We need to flood the country with hispanics dependant on the state if the DNC has a prayer of winning any more elections!” would be a bit too honest.

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While our main legal alien pool, especially season, pool is Hispanic, it isn’t fully.

I would like to see more Liberians especially brought in, they are descended from Americans in part, have a similar legal system, can speak our language. Wouldn’t work seasonally, but some farms go year round, and if we can’t fill enough factory positions, I want to be heavily biased in favoring them. They need the money, and they are our cousins.

Same for Haiti, with emphasis on seasonal or factory work, but they gotta return. Not because I don’t think they can fit into the US, but because I want them returning with US Dollars and concepts on how to run a business or society.

More participation from the Caribbean, direct imports of labor via ship from Guatamala or Panama, perhaps even Cuba eventually. Why? We need our underbelly culturally attached to us ad friendly.

Same for the Philippines or Malaysia, but more long term work. Taiwan has some sophisticated workers.

Doesn’t and shouldn’t be whoever crawls under the fence. It needs to be a controlled process.