Truth, in the steps of concept:

[Dan1 (Dan~)]

There are an order of question catagories here.
Under one question there comes to be many others.

“What is truth?” - A

“What should I believe in?” - B

“At what cost will my beliefs come at? Shall I serve the universe of non-contradiction, as I am honest and pure with all things? Or should I do what feels best for me & for others?” - C

[Ah, “who all is this for?” as he looks in the mirror*]

“Truth”, in the deeper sense of the word, is an existentialist question and a religion. It partains to what the human being gives him or herself to. It partians to what a human being stays away from. There are two aetheric forces supporting all motion and potential change in our universes:
attraction and repulsion.

They give in, they give out.
They breath in, they breath out.
They look inside of themself, and they look outside of themself.

One step, and then another step.
Keep moving.
Stand still.
Take a step back.

Look again.
Look ahead.
Look back.

Breath in and breath out again.
Keep your head clear.
This can go almost anywhere now…

[thezeus18]

The truth is an assumption that good suggestions sprout from.

[Dan1 (Dan~)]

It’s a big subject.

Truth:
To have the truth, you must foresake the truth.
To foresake the truth, you must have the truth.
Most men foresake the lessers only for the greaters.
Learning is progressive.

Truth is not needed for some things. For other things, it is needed.
Before I can do, I must know.

In a world of lies, integrated with pleasures and problems, I wanted honesty.
I realized later that to be honest, I cannot misjudge, which means I must understand.

I have come to believe that digested truth is understanding.
Deeper or wider understanding needs much more knowledge and experience.

The truth of ego and personal uniqueness – becomes the truth of ethical and existential ideals. Personalized truth is different then universal or global truth. This sort of truth can be summed up in a few words: “What I want.” The universe doesn’t usually tend to want exactly the same thing, though.

Universal truth already exists, or will exist at the predicted time. Universal truth is hardly human, and I do not expect for it to have a morality. Anything that ever happened, existed or will happen/exist – is a fragment of universal truth.

No matter what you say, think, feel or do, these are events within your body, and your body is within reality. Everything that happens – is true. When people search for truth, they often search for understanding. If people search for their own satisfaction, they try to find support for their own personal ideals and ethics. The seeker often forgets that he is truth, because he is forsaking the truth which appears slammer, for the sake of the truth which appears larger.

Therefor, truth is a competitive sport for man. It is possible to develop a greed or a lust for truth, in which great learning and much work is done. Because they are free to do so, some men will seek great truth, whilst others will seek great lies.

Seekers be 'ware; be careful and skillful with your hearts [because I think I love you]. It’s your life in your hands, and freedom can be dangerous.

If realms of infinite potentiality exist, then everything is true, but few things are useful to a man. Therefor he filters it out for his own good, because he is doing what he was meant to do. Everything which passes through his body is tainted by his uniqueness, kissed by his imperfection, and tucked into the bed of his unconscious memory.

[Oni_Omega]

may i ask what is ur point ? do u want us to answer those questions ? if so, u should know that only u can truly answer those questions.

[SirEbrum]

Looks like ilovephilosophy.com/phpbb/se … uthor=iman has some competition. =D>

[Oni_Omega]

-.- hah plz… i didnt flame at all and i didnt rant either, seems u have some problems with the art of reading… also seems u read my post as it was ‘said’ in a certain way…?

dont second guess me when ive only done 4 posts so far thats unwise…

[Dan1 (Dan~)]

I was basically saying that everything is true.

Some things are true for self.
Some things are true for the world.
Some things are true for both at the same time.

Material gratification is the foundationalism for modern logic.
Physical evidence, action, matter… These are the “proof”.

[tfdmissmatch]

@Dan~

It’s a big subject.

Truth:
To have the truth, you must foresake the truth.
To foresake the truth, you must have the truth.
Most men foresake the lessers only for the greaters.
Learning is progressive.

Truth is not needed for some things. For other things, it is needed.
Before I can do, I must know.

In a world of lies, integrated with pleasures and problems, I wanted honesty.
I realized later that to be honest, I cannot misjudge, which means I must understand.

I have come to believe that digested truth is understanding.
Deeper or wider understanding needs much more knowledge and experience.

The truth of ego and personal uniqueness – becomes the truth of ethical and existential ideals. Personalized truth is different then universal or global truth. This sort of truth can be summed up in a few words: “What I want.” The universe doesn’t usually tend to want exactly the same thing, though.

Universal truth already exists, or will exist at the predicted time. Universal truth is hardly human, and I do not expect for it to have a morality. Anything that ever happened, existed or will happen/exist – is a fragment of universal truth.

No matter what you say, think, feel or do, these are events within your body, and your body is within reality. Everything that happens – is true. When people search for truth, they often search for understanding. If people search for their own satisfaction, they try to find support for their own personal ideals and ethics. The seeker often forgets that he is truth, because he is forsaking the truth which appears slammer, for the sake of the truth which appears larger.

Therefor, truth is a competitive sport for man. It is possible to develop a greed or a lust for truth, in which great learning and much work is done. Because they are free to do so, some men will seek great truth, whilst others will seek great lies.

Seekers be 'ware; be careful and skillful with your hearts [because I think I love you]. It’s your life in your hands, and freedom can be dangerous.

If realms of infinite potentiality exist, then everything is true, but few things are useful to a man. Therefor he filters it out for his own good, because he is doing what he was meant to do. Everything which passes through his body is tainted by his uniqueness, kissed by his imperfection, and tucked into the bed of his unconscious memory.

I sort of feel like I am reading a translation of some proverbs from an oriental language here. How should I interpret “kissed by his imperfection.” I agree with you in part. I think that there are absolute truths which apply for everyone and that there are truths which may exist for one person and not the other.

[Twilight_of_the_Idol (Twilight of the Idols)]

@Dan~

I was basically saying that everything is true.

I agree.

[Dan1 (Dan~)]

@tfdmissmatch

@Dan~

It’s a big subject.

Truth:
To have the truth, you must foresake the truth.
To foresake the truth, you must have the truth.
Most men foresake the lessers only for the greaters.
Learning is progressive.

Truth is not needed for some things. For other things, it is needed.
Before I can do, I must know.

In a world of lies, integrated with pleasures and problems, I wanted honesty.
I realized later that to be honest, I cannot misjudge, which means I must understand.

I have come to believe that digested truth is understanding.
Deeper or wider understanding needs much more knowledge and experience.

The truth of ego and personal uniqueness – becomes the truth of ethical and existential ideals. Personalized truth is different then universal or global truth. This sort of truth can be summed up in a few words: “What I want.” The universe doesn’t usually tend to want exactly the same thing, though.

Universal truth already exists, or will exist at the predicted time. Universal truth is hardly human, and I do not expect for it to have a morality. Anything that ever happened, existed or will happen/exist – is a fragment of universal truth.

No matter what you say, think, feel or do, these are events within your body, and your body is within reality. Everything that happens – is true. When people search for truth, they often search for understanding. If people search for their own satisfaction, they try to find support for their own personal ideals and ethics. The seeker often forgets that he is truth, because he is forsaking the truth which appears slammer, for the sake of the truth which appears larger.

Therefor, truth is a competitive sport for man. It is possible to develop a greed or a lust for truth, in which great learning and much work is done. Because they are free to do so, some men will seek great truth, whilst others will seek great lies.

Seekers be 'ware; be careful and skillful with your hearts [because I think I love you]. It’s your life in your hands, and freedom can be dangerous.

If realms of infinite potentiality exist, then everything is true, but few things are useful to a man. Therefor he filters it out for his own good, because he is doing what he was meant to do. Everything which passes through his body is tainted by his uniqueness, kissed by his imperfection, and tucked into the bed of his unconscious memory.

I sort of feel like I am reading a translation of some proverbs from an oriental language here. How should I interpret “kissed by his imperfection.” I agree with you in part. I think that there are absolute truths which apply for everyone and that there are truths which may exist for one person and not the other.

If everything was perfect, it would all be the same.

Everyone has their own unique style of hand-writing, for example.

Imperfect world view and imperfect understanding of truth – means unique world views and preceptions of reality, and as there are billions of these imperfect views, there is variety.

Variety is a big survival tool for nature, because it has a stablizing effect.

People who have the most productive version of truth in their mind-heart – are naturally selected so that they can reproduce more and create more of the useful attribute.

Darwinian survival tactics – put sanity and truth on a lesser scale of importance then life and family.

We don’t have to be true – so much as we have to survive.
Truth can wait, life is now and it’s more important.
^
This, for better or for worse, is natural selection.
What do you think about it?

Is life more important then truth?
Is nature incorrect in her choices?

[Dan1 (Dan~)]

@-Oni Omega-

-.- hah plz… i didnt flame at all and i didnt rant either, seems u have some problems with the art of reading… also seems u read my post as it was ‘said’ in a certain way…?

dont second guess me when ive only done 4 posts so far thats unwise…

There tends to be allot of perfectionist english during argumentive mind-games. Due to the rapid occurance of argumentive mind-games, poor spelling or slang is naturally seen as a weakness/demerit.

I see more tolerance for misspelling at a physics forum, because they are more objective, therefor they are less concerned with who you are and how you say it, and they are more concerned with what you are saying.

I think objectivists are easy and beautiful people.
But that’s just my personal preferance.

[Dan1 (Dan~)]

The “quest for truth” and trying to find out “exactly what is real” – takes days, months or years of time and focus.

What could have been done instead of these:
Action with little thought and much instinct.

Only when the human is free from obligation and temptation will he perhaps begin to search for “truth”. Before that time arose, he was focused on what felt most important to his survival. Humans ignoring “the quest for truth” and instead fallowing “the mundane world” – is simply a form of priorities which places knowledge and understanding at a lower value then survival.