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By saying “fact”, are you implying that the “perspective” you’ve presented has somewhat absolute validity and we can’t possibly discard it?
And I don’t think any perspective is permanent/fixed since I don’t think we have any perspective when we are totally unaware.
No perspectivist cares if he convinces anyone of anything. You may or may not see the value if these ideas. But as for awareness, I am using the most nonphilosophical definition available. The minimal case. Anything more is usually epistemology, which I believe must be argued for. I think it’s reasonable to use a minimal and simple definition and then argue for the rest - it’s just that I don’t argue for the rest. Becasue I don’t think there is any more to it.
No perspective is fixed - I agree. In fact,a perspectivist will use several, or many perspectives to analyse an idea. Many persepctives are collected to ascertain a fact - both within the perspectivist, and among individuals.
Then the world would be constantly changing, for the way things seem changes all the time.
o rly?
And how has gravity changed lately? Did the sun not rise yesterday?
Well, our conception of gravity had been recently put in dispute by science, not only by Einstien, but by current scientists. Since we don’t know excelty what gravity is, it’s hard to say if it has itself changed.
That the Sun rises every day has not always been the case, nor will it always be, according to what we know. But that is hardly the only change that the Sun has undergone - even since yesterday.
Hey, I’m just answering Faust’s question. I’m not making an assertion of my own.
I would also add that just because some things seem to change doesn’t mean all things do.
So you don’t know what gravity is? lol
And how has gravity changed? Seems likes its been a fairly constant force afaik.
I’m pretty sure I saw the sun yesterday, faust, and the all of the past times I have experienced the sun in the sky means I can have a reasonable expectation it will be there tomorrow.
Whether or not the sun has “changed” is irrelevant.
If you can tell me why its unreasonable of me to expect the sun to still be there tomorrow, that’d be just swell.
Do you?
Every meteor that hits the Earth causes its gravity to increase.
Yes. Yes I do.
Wow, its almost like you are saying gravity is related to the mass of an object. How’d you come to this conclusion by the way?
More than the average layman? More than Faust? More than Einstein? Can the science of gravity retire now that you’re here to enlighten us?
Glad to see you’ve passed grade 10 science. Now tell me again how this invalidates the example I gave?
Wow, I didn’t realize there was gravity science! Thanks for the insight.
I really don’t see what comparison has to do with whether or not I know what gravity is.
Gravity is a force. It seems to be fairly constant to me. I do believe its also got something to do with mass and whether or not the object is stationary.
The only thing that’s changed in your “example,” is the mass.
Sorry to see you failed grade 10 science.
If that’s all you know, then there is clearly a need for comparison. Faust knows that much - probably more. You’re claim that you know gravity where Faust doesn’t is itself comparative. Is this misconstrual purposive, or did you escape from retard assylum?
So the mass changes but gravity doesn’t? At least I learnt that this much is wrong in grade 10.
This coming from the person who is arguing that a meteor striking the earth has changed the force of gravity?
lol
It has. The gravity of the Earth becomes more powerful.
lol
so gravity is not a constant force according to you Gib? Meteors can change it?
Holy derailed thread batman!
But while we’re here…how does the gravity of earth become more powerful whena meteor strikes it?
Also, how is mass NOT related to gravity? Regardless of a Newtonian or Einsteinian view of it, I thought mass played a critical role…
And on a side note, I don’t think gravity is constant…otherwise they would find it on an atomic scale, too.
Yes, it has been derailed… and I promise, at the end of this post, I’ll re-rail it.
The Earth’s gravitational pull becomes stronger because, as you rightly pointed out, gravity is related to mass - the more massive an object, the more gravity it exerts. When meteors strike the Earth, they add their mass to it. That’s an example of change. Of course the gravitational constant doesn’t change, but that’s just a number in an equation. It’s an abstraction.
And in any case, my claim isn’t that every single example you can think up, I’ll show you that it changes. My claim is that some things change. At least, this is according to our perceptions of the world. But that’s just what Faust was putting to question. If the world is just what it seems, and if [some] things seem to change, then the world must be changing too. There - thread re-railed.
Dorky - but all that is just common knowledge. We are evidently dealing with a Universe only known to a few.
Stay tuned.
And yeah, gib. It really does seem to change. My guess is that it does.
then you also effect and affect
and then what you have is a circle of effect , affect , cause in no particular order
because the circle can be rotated and stopped at any point . there is no dominate point
each implies the other in no particular order