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(notice them pointing arrows at the low flying craft)
hahaha.
awesome.
IF you seen a metal dragon flying through the sky would your first inclination be to get a rifle and shoot it? they’re violent. and astoundingly brave.
That is awesome–thanks Cyrene. 
So the question needs to be asked… do we nuke them now and save them the trouble of going through 2000 years of recorded history or let them dream on?
Hmm, it also kind of makes you wonder… are not UFOs a phenomenon of some human advancement that we have not yet uncovered?? 
I saw them in a documentary years ago now - they look cool to me, and I wish that my peeps had been left to their own devices: rather than being assimilated into this modern society a few 100 years ago: which is tougher than living a primitive life, imo, and probably more fun too - I might go and join them!
Life isn’t ‘truly’ easier for hunter-gatherer bands, with no access to any technology, current medicine etc, life is hard, much harder than it is for most (not all people, right now).
Maybe living as a cancer patient is considerably harder, as you’re kept alive in horrible suffering pain where in a natural situation you would have died years back, ,barring fucked up circumstances like that, say, an infection attacking the pain center in your brain, and people keeping you alive for months trying to save your life, beyond things like that, most of our lives are considerably easier.
Do you think being raped and raped and raped is easy? I don’t. Nor do i think its easy watching a second tribe from the local area bust into your little area and start shooting male children, beating male babies off rocks/trees and smashing their white brains out until the bodies turn purple.
heres a first hand account of what someone seen during such a raid. “Father please don’t shoot me” (yells a child hiding in a tree). “I’m not your father” (laughs a raider) and takes aim, and shoots the kid, who falls from the tree, hits the ground, pathetically gets up and scurries off into the forest.
They’re brutal, if you’re a hunter-gatherer or tribe living near OTHER tribes or gatherers, life can be more than fucking hard on top of all the shit you have to work for anyway.
People live in modern societies because as we progressed with technology, things have become easier for us. Each technological advancement we see, while certainly causing issues for humans/society, general makes our lives, much much much easier.
Does having a car make your life harder? Does having a fridge make your life harder? No!
Are they brutal or is that just our ‘civilized’ hypocritical perception. Is it more brutal to look your victim in the eye and shoot him or for someone to pass on orders to somebody else to fly over land and drop bombs on strangers?
For the record, these people could be 100% peaceful to the likes of which no human band in history has ever been. To my knowledge this one group (if it truly exists, which I am pretty convinced of, even without those pictures) hasn’t been largely studied.
That being said, most hunter-gatherer groups are brutal by our standards/perceptions, I sincerely doubt it is always necessary to say, slaughter male babies, but they routinely do that. It comes down to human nature being violent in our natural settings, hunter-gatherers have statistically been more violent, a lot, and even ‘brutal’ by our standards.
I don’t mean to suggest that this is their fault, or that I or anyone from ‘civilized’ society wouldn’t be the exact same, we would. Its a brutality largely born of circumstance.
Well, i’m talking about a statistical amount of people in the population # being violent.
but is it more brutal to do that? Whats the criteria?
I know its a lot easier and less psychologically damaging for people to kill people they can’t see. Theres quotes from soldiers in ww2 talking about how easy it was to kill people in tanks far away. “We weren’t killing people, we were killing tanks”
We know that humans have facialdetection modules and theres evidence that this *largely can create a sympathetic well of emotions, unbidden to humans. Which is why soldiers had very large non-shooting/nonkill rates in the world wars during some battles, even in a battle with thousands dying and being screamed at to shoot, people couldn’t do it close range, its been estimated that people actively pretended to re-load and shoot.
hooded aduction victims face a death rate, much much higher than non hooded victims. Sniper’s have psychological damage rates higher than normal shooters. Stabbing someone close range to death is a lot harder than almost anything else, including blowing someone up from far away.
(theres plenty of ways huumans can over-come these reactions, cognitive flips to animalize/germinize the people, dissociation disorder, drugs, special training, etc)
But yeah, consistantly people get psychological damage from killing close range, and consistantly people find it easier to deal with pressing a button to kill someone far away.
I don’t know if that anwsers your question, I don’t know if there is an anwser to your question if you’re talking about equal numbers of people, but I know Idon’t care about africans dying from horrible disease as much as i’d care if i was forced to see it daily , i’m sure thats true of all of us here, the same is true of killing people. its just that much easier to deal with, and would be for you or any of us here. It maybe more wrong, but those people have a clear conscious in comparison to knifing someone and watching them die.
your (cyrene) profile picture is apt, we may say “shit, thats brutal” but hey that’s the way the cookie crumbles out there.
Though there is a sense of irony about this situation, if it is decided by the powers that be to protect these people i.e. forbid entrance to that area of the forest, then in a way we’ll be constructing boundaries around these people…reminds me of The Truman Show.
you posted your second post there while i was typing my previous, so this post is a reply to your second post and my previous post was a reply to your post before 
Do you think tribesmen suffer from psychological problems after they’ve killed? I’m unsure on what level of awareness they operate on, maybe they act more natural?
I think it’s an island, so there would be no need to fence them off - apparently, there are a few undisturbed tribes dotted around the globe: some off India, personally, I’m jealous of them! 
not sure if it was an island, It was in the Amazon close to the Peruvian border.
Oh, the documentary I saw was about a tribe on an island - they looked happy!
Says you! 
…being kept alive while at the end of a terminal illness, aint fun for no-one! 
I could handle the primitive lifestyle: better than trying to survive within this back-stabbing cunt of a society - some of our brains/mentality does not suit Western living conditions, Cyrene, please accept that fact: having had differing lines of evolving n’all! 
…wouldn’t matter if you’re the one’s on top!!! 
Guns are for the weak, and do please quote me on that…
Not if your tribe possess a whole island, it aint then life’s a blast!
I’ll take happiness over technological advancement, any day!
None of that matters if you can pick your food from the trees/barbecue fish, fresh, every day of the week.
We do not need to assimilate every last human into civilised society - why we think it is beneficial to them is beyond anyone’s imagination! The mental differences are immense, trust me on that one!
these guys are nutz.
They live in a one strip village… WITH NO BARRIER!!!
Notice their painted bodies?
The red is for intimidation aswell as becoming invisible at night (red is a good night camoflage color).
I would be shittin bricks sleeping there… the jungle is exceptionally dangerous.
many of today’s current problems are because we’re not adapted to live in current environments, thats true. Even some aspects of depression in day to day living probably has a lot to due with not exercising and eating right and all that jazz, no one denies that point.
but the sad point is that natural selection/evolution doesn’t give a shit about your happiness, there is no reason why it would, it cares about happiness circumstancially when it helps propagate genes, humans are not supposed to be consistantly happy in the wild.
Look at it this way, modern hunter-gatherer bands who live in the wild CANNOT WAIT to get their hands on technology like electricity, when given the chance to have it, they might reject it, but hunter-gatherer groups that live near old hunter-gatherer groups which adopted electricity, WANT it to, they want roads, ,they want etc.
they want the technology to help them live easier lives.
If hunting/gathering is so fun, why does everyone try to get away from it when they have options for agriculture/tribe living? if tribe living is so fun why do people build cities?
because they have an urge to live easier/better lives , which tribes, villages, towns, and cities provide.
…wimp!
Uh, no, it was a hunter-gatherer tribal grroup raiding another group (which had actually raided and stole this girl from her parents, who weren’t hunter-gatherers, but exploring the jungle) anyway, they stole her away, and she was ‘raised’ with them for awhile, and she witnessedd this tribe on tribe raid (which theres massive evidence for all the time) but I just wanted to highlight this one example of cruelty.
The kid from tribe or hunter group A screamed don’t shoot me after running/climbing to hide in a tree, the hunter-gatherer laughed about it, pointedly said ‘i’m not your father’ and shot the kid with an arrow, this is after they took all the male children, older men, as many warriors as they could, and male babies as they could. Do you think its easier living working everyday and having other groups through the years routinely attempting to and succeeding on these raids against whole groups of hunter-gatherers, bashing in their children’s heads, etc.
your naive about this magjs. hunter-gatherer’s don’t live in a utopia, those that ‘do’ need to contend with starvation, sickness, aging, and predatory animals like jaguars, in ways which are not ‘fun’.
and as to guns being for the weak, I don’t care, tell that to entire indian and african villages where tigers/lions made mince meat out of hundreds of people and they needed western hunters to kill them, with guns.
Theres groups in the amazon that don’t travel alone at night their houses specifically crafted so that jaguars can’t rip people out of their huts at night and drag them into the jungle screaming, when they travel at night they travel fully armed, with weird drums and fires to scare away the cats. Groups which don’t have these ‘jaguar huts’ routinely have members ripped away by jaguars.
Yes, I fear any environment that requires hunter-gatherers to travel in extreme fear/fully armed to the teeth. Yes, I would be afraid to sleep in any area where the houses had to be specifically crafted to avoid jaguar’s tearing people off into the jungle, and they STILL succeed in getting through the thorn patch hut doors to rip people out.
is it a question of whether or not living ‘tribally’ is fun? or is it a question of fulfillment? Maybe they have a more fulfilling existence, because they have smaller pots to fill so to speak but I doubt they question their purpose of existence for example 
they may fall for the illusion of technology an easier life style and whatnot but maybe thats a human flaw, to desire the easy route??
You can say ‘wimp’ because women almost always aren’t the one charged with protecting the group or hunting. the women are the ones GATHERING
and what do natural populations of women do? heres one documentary’s discription “The women trawl for shrimp in the early mornings, defenceless against the tiger”
the women, who go for gathering shrimp in the mornings in places in india, well, lots of those women just don’t come back. Thats what you’d deal with in the natural world.
hunter-gatherer life is more oftentimes closer to: youtube.com/watch?v=ALp9kz1npgM
Than a utopia (minus the MASSIVE sea of corpses, but i imagine they had massive levels of those after some battles, too)