Understanding and Intuition

An understanding is an intuition, in so far as the understanding is a priori and does not require learning from a posteri.

So that our recognition of trees, cars, tires, clouds are all intuitive, in that all experiences are distinct yet united in form. So that all so called trees are individual trees, yet share salient features which make the individual a member of the unity.

For humans, the most basic intuition is the understanding of the race, of which understanding is derived instinctively and is not learn as a social construct.

What is intuitive is instinctive, therefore racial intuition is racial instinct. But of course, as with all instincts, there are deviations, including violating one’s basic instinct of survival (suicide), basic racial instinct (mixing).

Psychologically speaking, it is complete madness, and in such cases, words are not neccesary for language is the tool of communication between the rationals, and when some one goes crazy, violence is necceasary to preserve the existence of the sane.

Sexual deviation can not be properly explain let along understood as a coherent displine of abnormality. It was found that it is not possible to cure the intuitive lust some men have for children, and for other men.

The norm of society is a social construct but the basis of the norm is not. I am a patriot and I love my own people and NOT my own people and not my own people.

The reason I feel obliged to devote so much and energy to this task which some of you seem to find insane is that most of you do not have the capacity to understand the depth of my intuitive love I have for my own people.

In that I recognise, it is my sacred duty which was passed down through out the generation onto me to continue the existence of my race, I am not pursuing this out of hedonistic imperative, but out of a sense of duty for the preservation of the existence of my own people.

Of course, there are some blacks who think they are whites or some whites who think they are blacks. and there are others with epilepsy and various other mental disorders, but they are the minority and have no right to impose their insanity upon the purity and sanity of society.

I can not understand treason, and the traitors can not understand the concept of loyalty. I can not understand interracial madness, and the ones lacking in basic racial instinct can not understand my love for my people.

Since when is it that ‘race does not matter’, isn’t she duped into such a fallacious idea. She is the mother of her race, yet she looks down upon the importance of her duty. The same goes for the father of the race.

What does the father of the human species mean? Does that mean he is black, white, asian simultaneously? In fact, the races are mutually exclusive, in that you can’t be black AND white, or white AND asian (read it carefully Obw). I am not the father of Africans because I am not black.

What does it mean that I AM HUMAN! Does that imply I AM ALSO BLACK!

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Jeezus, PoR- don’t you have anything to say that Adolf didn’t write in Mein Kampf? :confused:

You’ve actually managed to make Hitler’s arguments worse. Quite an achievement. :slight_smile:

Hello Adolf, or do you simply prefer “Skinhead”, or “KKK”?

— An understanding is an intuition, in so far as the understanding is a priori and does not require learning from a posteri.
O- False. It is a result of the use of one’s reasoning, not of one’s feelings. An understanding is a judgement, while an intuition is a prejudgment. As we see from your definition, it leads you down the path of prejudice.

— So that our recognition of trees, cars, tires, clouds are all intuitive, in that all experiences are distinct yet united in form. So that all so called trees are individual trees, yet share salient features which make the individual a member of the unity.
O- All these are learned. But let us compare. It is true that we recognize trees as distinct yet united in form. So too with you and a blackman. Both of you are men, distinct yet united in form. We have Oak trees and Palm trees and they are both distinct but yet both belong to the form “tree”. So too with you and the blackman; you fall under the form “human”.

— For humans, the most basic intuition is the understanding of the race, of which understanding is derived instinctively and is not learn as a social construct.
O- False. Put children of different races on a playground and see your argument fail miserably.

— What is intuitive is instinctive, therefore racial intuition is racial instinct. But of course, as with all instincts, there are deviations, including violating one’s basic instinct of survival (suicide), basic racial instinct (mixing).
O- What you call “instinctive” is not proven to be so, but in the illusion that sustains you. Your false premises lead to a fallacious logic and an erroneous conclusion.
So far I have:
1- demonstrated that you confuse “understanding” with prejudice.
2- demonstrated that racism, like most other prejudices, are learned.
3- And so you entire argument is simply learned prejudice, a fact that you are trying hard to clothe in the sheets of logic. You might as well have done your theory some justice and clothe it in manure.
4- Racial mixture is not an exception to the rule, such as suicide is to the instinct of self-preservation, but rather the rule, and indeed what you try to introduce here is another false dochotomy, trying to pass racial mixtures as the exception when in fact they are the rule and racial purity, if that can mean anything to anyone but the likes of you, the defining trait of madness Adolf…

— Psychologically speaking, it is complete madness, and in such cases, words are not neccesary for language is the tool of communication between the rationals, and when some one goes crazy, violence is necceasary to preserve the existence of the sane.
O- Seek professional help, before you do stupid things, more stupid that is than your decision to post among lovers of wisdom, rather than among the lovers, like you, of “race”.

— The reason I feel obliged to devote so much and energy to this task which some of you seem to find insane is that most of you do not have the capacity to understand the depth of my intuitive love I have for my own people.
O- You are insane because you have bought this ideology that there is such a reality as “my own people”. It flies in the face of ALL SERIOUS SCIENTIFIC INQUIRY. That is why you are among the insane, Adolf. You have bought into a mythology, a religion, where humanity comes as a finished product in different regions of the world, and that you belong to one that is more perfect than the rest. In your mind, to step down to your level that you may understand the accusation, there were several Gardens of Eden. One filled with “blacks”, another with “asians” and the true one, of course, the one filled with “whites”. Note that I maintain “”, because all of these “races” are coherent and absolute only in idea. You completely ommit the interaction of a species with it’s enviroment.
The truth you would deny is that humans came from Africa, and that in the interaction with climates their features adapted to survive. Thus, Adolf, you are mistaken in whom you call your people. “Your people” logically would require all the human race.

— In that I recognise, it is my sacred duty which was passed down through out the generation onto me to continue the existence of my race, I am not pursuing this out of hedonistic imperative, but out of a sense of duty for the preservation of the existence of my own people.
O- Your people is a myth. in your blood courses the same red blood that travels the veins of all humans. Rather than “white” “black”, “yellow” or the like, which are arbitrary depending on whom you ask (as Hitler himself was quite impure and a mutt) why don’t you empirically define diversity instead of simply regurgitating Mein Kamfp.

— I can not understand treason, and the traitors can not understand the concept of loyalty. I can not understand interracial madness, and the ones lacking in basic racial instinct can not understand my love for my people.
O- The love of your people is your hate of all others.

— What does the father of the human species mean? Does that mean he is black, white, asian simultaneously?
O- That is one way to look at it.

— In fact, the races are mutually exclusive
O- This is proven false by the very existence of interracial offsprings.

— in that you can’t be black AND white, or white AND asian (read it carefully Obw).
O- You truly are an ignorant fellow. Shall we educate you on the selection of colors for roses?

— I am not the father of Africans because I am not black.
O- How do you know? The traces of pygmentation might be gone but that does not mean that there were not there once. Your skin might be lighter, but you share a common ancestor with 50 cents.

— What does it mean that I AM HUMAN! Does that imply I AM ALSO BLACK!
O- No. It implies that there is no such thing as “black” or “white”.These are learned distinctions. They represent an idea rather than a fact. No “white” exist that was not once also black and even today many blacks exist that were also once white.
Now let me add my conclusion. You fear the black race because you fear the loss of what you consider to make a white person, i.e. his skin color. You might, like Jefferson, consider the American indian a race of it’s own but because they “melt away” they can pose no treath to you. In fact, many wonderful and “white” country singers, like Twain, are biracial. But you don’t see a difference so it is ok. The problem comes from the blacks, who fail to melt away and pass much more of their traits on to the offspring than the white. Hence you fear, in your love of the traits you cherish (because it is not love of a people you feel but the love for some characteristics and dislike of others), that the continuation of a specific mixture will damage the ability of your prefered traits to remain distinct.
I can understand your fear. I have reasoned and come to a judgement, a conclusion, something you have never done.
But while I recognize the pathos, I certainly do not encourage it and instead attack it. You are a coward.
What makes a man? How do you judge a man, Adolf?
Your answer so far given is “the color of their skin”. You masturbate yourself invoking ‘your people’. You speak of your love for them. Just what exactly do you love so much about them? That you don’t discuss.
You have come before the lovers of philosophy (quite redundant to say); beware of the examination that will be required of you.
And please, do not take being called a “coward” an ad homenin or the like. It is simply the proper application of the word as I understand it, and having it used, I still allow the possibility that you might change my mind about my conclusion, but is it up to you to do that, by your words, as it has been your own words which have condemned you as a fool and a coward in my opinion.

Phaedrus

I only perfected his argument.

Obw

if that is your opinion, then you obviously still to not understand my argument. why don’t you want to have white children?

omar

Reichsfuhrer SS will do fine. even before reading any of your counter-arguments, I say they are all false. Everything for Germany! I will be a loyal fighter as our Fuhrer was, always faithful to the ideals of the great Clauswitz

wrong, intuition is not something you have to reason on and on and on, what is known intuitively is itself a priori. for example, one intuitively see trees, cars without actually reasoning on why they are so. but to understand cars, you need to ponder on and on. so intuitition is a priori understanding.

wrong, are you claiming that if people do not go to classrooms they can not intuitively understand what is a tree, cars. if you say that me and blackman are both human, does that make me black? A blackman is a black in so far as he is a 'black’man and not just a ‘man’ as such. If there is the form of human, what is the form of INhuman? therefore, form does not exist.
if there is the form of perfect circle, then neccesarily there must also be the form of an imperfect circle.
also, the understanding in terms of race is intuitive, not learnt, therefore 3 yr olds can recognise a blackman from whiteman, and he knows they are not just man.

wrong, you’ll see that children of the same race will gravitate together. infact the children seperate in terms of racial boundaries, proof of their intuitive racial instinct.

wrong, I have demonstrated that you lack basic epistomological understanding. also intuition is not prejudice, it is intuitive for all to recognise cars and trees, and also the race.

the aversion to other races is instinctive, please explain why kids tend to gravitate towards their racial group? if you say I am a human, are you implying I am black?

Well, I am very “learned” and what I have spoken of is the truth, it appears that you can not logically grasp what is instinctive to everyone, therefore I must assume that you are in need of psychiatric attention.

Again, if you understand that suicide is against the instinct of self preservation, then you must also understand that mixing is against the instinct of racial preservation. again, I don’t expect someone brain dead to understand the genius of Adolf Hitler.

You need to help yourself, in case you choose the path of RACIAL MIGRATION, it is a path with no return.

no, my love for my own people have nothing to do with cold-blooded science. you are obvious a loner who does not belong to any racial group, but please, don’t lie and deny that race exist, which is intuitive to us all.

this is where you tear your own argument apart. I have spoken of the truth, which is intuitive to all, but of which seems to elude only you!

then if we are all human, as you Marxist liars make it out to be, then does that mean I am black?

stop talking like an oracle, you only make yourself sound more foolish.

if race does not exist, then please extinguish the intuitive idea within us.

wrong, just because you evolutionst found some skull in Africa does not mean we came from Africa. what a lie.

I know what you Marxist think, no only I can give birth to member of my own race, the colour of my blood has nothing to do with the color of my skin. why don’t you say animals have blood, therefore we ought to support inter-species relationship, you sick coward

to rephrase your ignorance. The love of my people is my hate of all others whom hate my people.

the corect way.

but to which race do the offsprings belong to? by exclusive, I meant a person can not be white, black nor asian at the same time, get it??

no, but you raised a good point. People these days care more about the purity of their dogs than about their own children. you are the one who is ignorant

how do I know, I explained already, BECAUSE I AM NOT BLACK.

no, if you actually read your statement carefully, you’ll see the contradition you’ve made. you are saying, white was once black, therefore white IS black. and black was once white, so black IS white. you are a fool in the extreme. I can tell who I am intuitively, you are TRYING very hard to conjure up a lie which you people call the SOCIAL CONSTRUCT. well, your lies are not power than my racial instinct. if race does not exist for you, instinctively, how do you know what I am refering to?

you must specify which man? a black man thinks different to a white man or to an Asian man. no, please learn to speak properly if want to an intelligent conversation.

I explain COUNTLESS OF TIME you F. I love them because THEY ARE MY PEOPLE. I treat my people as ends in themselves, not as means, the most ethical treatment.

well, your opinion have so far proven to be false. you deny what is intuitive, i.e racial recognition, instead you lie and call they basic instinct a social construct. No, racial identifiers exist, and they are USED as a social construct. but race have to exist first for it to be used. and if I were to speak the truth about you, then I would surely be banned.

That’s massively fucking corny.

Yet another wrinkle to the ol’ “PoR Character.”

Oh, well. I’m still glad to see him back. :sunglasses:

LMAO, little himmler, did you mean “if you want to have an intelligent conversation”?

Perhaps you meant “But race has to exist first for it to be used.”

Again, maybe you meant “Well, your lies are not more powerful than my racial instinct.”

I think you meant contradiction.

I think this should read "No, my love for my own people has nothing to with cold-blooded science. You are obviously a loner who does not belong to any racial group. But please, don’t lie and deny that race exists, which is intuitive to us all. "

I think its you little himmler who needs to learn to “speak properly” if you want an intelligent conversation.

:astonished: Wow, uh wow, that is probably the most undereducated, ignorant psuedo mock, claptrap,balderdash,egotistical,selfserving, arrogant, Dear God please tell me this writer is not human or white cause if it claims these two things; I am not claiming it. It obviously has been warped by an alien force and forced forward into time whining, sniveling, and kicking and claiming its superiority.
It obviously is in severe pain and must have something done to it, er, for it. Quick someone fetch a tranquilizer gun, it needs to be captured and studied. I believe it came from the past, perhaps the caveman era. Is that frothing from its mandibles I see?

Now that it is drugged safely away, it did bring up a very interesting topic between understanding and intuition. Which can be really expanded on now.
To me I know that understanding is a learned thing while intuition is a known thing. I think that the two work together and create comprehension of a sort. It is intuitive to breathe, it is understanding that allows us to hold our breath.

But Pinnacle of Reason was such a great name. I think the irony was what was so infuriatingly delightful about him. Now with “adolf himmler” his priorities are way too obvious.

Phaedrus

good to see you are still here!

For the existence of my people, I shall struggle to the end.

Has everyone noticed the cognitive developmental psychologists, they all place those with a social conscience at the top of all cognitive developments. I am a patriot, but not a blind patriot (someone who loves everyone) but I am a selective patriot (real patriot who loves only his own people and is not duped into loving the enemy)

The race comes to me, as it is to a 3 yr old child, intuitively.

Please, take the race question as an example of the application of intuition which many of you have denied.

Adolph,

I just love people. You should try it.

(tho’ I do tend to avoid people like you… ) :astonished:

Hello “Reichsfuhrer SS”:
I take it that “SS” means “social sheep”.

— even before reading any of your counter-arguments, I say they are all false.
O- What told you that? Your intuition? It does not surprise me and just goes to prove my point. You are confused about what understanding is all about. You prejudge something and think that you have understood it.

— I will be a loyal fighter as our Fuhrer was, always faithful to the ideals of the great Clauswitz
O- You are a great body to take a bullet for master. No greater slave than you has so far been found.

— wrong, intuition is not something you have to reason on and on and on
O- That is correct, but then the point is that intuition cannot pass as understanding. Intuition is a prejudice and nothing more.

— what is known intuitively is itself a priori. for example, one intuitively see trees, cars without actually reasoning on why they are so.
O- No. One intuitively sees objects, shapes and shades. The classification of one object as car and another as tree is a learned process and the same word can apply to a variety objects, some of which different groupd would disagree upon the applicability of aa noun. For example, “carro”, in spanish to the people in one country can mean an automobile, while to those in another country, say Argentina, it means a “stroller”.

— wrong, are you claiming that if people do not go to classrooms they can not intuitively understand what is a tree, cars.
O- Again one can perceive the form, but that is not an understanding as to what it is. Take a camera to a remote region and then take a photograph. Why do you expect that these “savages” will say:“Is that a photo of me?” rather than:“Is that my soul you have captured? Release it or die!”

— That if you say that me and blackman are both human, does that make me black?
O- No “black” truly exist, nor does “white” other than as ideas that pepper your prejudice.

— A blackman is a black in so far as he is a 'black’man and not just a ‘man’ as such.
O- Whatever the qualification you feel to add, be it “English” man or French etc, does not make your object any more or less human. The human race stands in distiction to other primates and the only true test of true race is the inability to procreate.

— the aversion to other races is instinctive
O- Then explain why the phenomenon of interracial unions is wide and timeless? You describe it as a disease, but this is what you must prove in order that you can advance the theory that those who intermarry are lacking a basic instinct. Good luck with that one. Explain to me why slave holders found the slave girls sexually attractive if there is this natural aversion? Explain to me where is the gene for this instict? If both the parents have this natural aversion, say they are both white , then how come child might still marry another race? If the parents had the aversion trait, so too should the child.

— no, my love for my own people have nothing to do with cold-blooded science. you are obvious a loner who does not belong to any racial group, but please, don’t lie and deny that race exist, which is intuitive to us all.
O- You are right in that I am a loner, but I take it as the most important trait in a serious thinker to be a loner.

— then if we are all human, as you Marxist liars make it out to be, then does that mean I am black?
O- This is repeated by you constantly. get it through your head: There are no real whites nor real blacks. These are creations of prejudice not of reason.

— I know what you Marxist think, no only I can give birth to member of my own race, the colour of my blood has nothing to do with the color of my skin.
O- Are you a woman?

— but to which race do the offsprings belong to? by exclusive, I meant a person can not be white, black nor asian at the same time, get it??
O- You might as well ask to what country they belong to. Nations, colors, race do not impact the fact that you and blacks are human beings.

— how do I know, I explained already, BECAUSE I AM NOT BLACK.
O- What are you then? Asian? They are also not “black”, or are you a jew, who also are “white”?

— no, if you actually read your statement carefully, you’ll see the contradition you’ve made. you are saying, white was once black, therefore white IS black.
O- No contradiction was made. At one point, before the exodus into the European and asiatic regions, the entire human race was of darker pigmentation.

— you must specify which man? a black man thinks different to a white man or to an Asian man.
O- Really? Are criminals found of only one “race”?

— I explain COUNTLESS OF TIME you F. I love them because THEY ARE MY PEOPLE. I treat my people as ends in themselves, not as means, the most ethical treatment.
O- Kant? The worth of a man has to do with his merit and character, not with a fact he had no control over.

What people often discount is the philosiphy of waffles. Let me give you all a run down on the basics…

  1. Waffles = glorified sponges. Think about it.
  2. Waffle with strawberries and whipped cream. Looks astoundingly delicious, but is really a mediocre breakfast treat at best.
  3. Waffle is just a fun word to say. But does that simply mask the pretentious nature of the waffle?
  4. Waffles require a waffle iron to cook. What’s up wtih that? No other food needs its own appliance that I can think of and if they do then they’re just a pretentious as the waffle!

I think we all think we like waffles because we don’t get them on a regular basis. The reason: most people don’t have a waffle iron. And if a given indivdual has a waffle iron who wants to pull it out all the time to make waffles? You think you like waffles but you really don’t.

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wait a minute… it isn’t the waffle iron that cooks the waffle… it is the heat…

another quick point… irons are used to press clothing flat and straight- wrinkle free… waffles are the furthest thing away from being flat and straight… waffle irons are an oxymoron…

unless of course you are on the 18th green and you need to whip out your waffle putter…

but all flip flopping aside…

cheers to jacques!

(there are probably many better french toasts…)

-Imp

You present an interesting point, my friend.
When I write my doctoral thesis I would like to reference your theories on the waffle iron.

Iron that does not flatten. Interesting.

On reflection of PoR’s brilliant counter examples and argumentation in general I have decided to give up any affiliations to non-whites in my life.

I’m currently walking around naked and haven’t eaten for a week but it’s just pretty hard to find products not tainted by lesser races than my own. Ah well.

Iron-ic, even…

Bessy

well, I love MY OWN people, and you ought too.

omar

You don’t address the Reichsfuhrer SS with a Hello, you say Heil Mein Reichsfuhrer.

Nope, intuition is not prejudgement. But it is immediately judgement. I know that I have the truth, and you disagree, so intuitively I know all that disagree with the truth is wrong. this is how intuitive reasoning goes. Prejudgement on the other hand is about making hasty conclusions when one does not know the whole picture. But I do, so I act out of intuition and not prejudgement.

How can I be a slave when I act out of my free will? get it right

Intuition is understanding if you are aware of the truth. You can intuitively know when something is about to happen when you don’t fully understand why. In terms of cogntive psychology, understanding involves all pieces which was previously hidden in long term memory be bought into the working memory, so you see the whole picture, while intuition is knowing the criticial aspect of the whole picture, thus inferring the whole picture from a obscure, yet defining identity.

So, if we apply it to race. By looking at the face of people, (have you done so recently), you intuitively understand their racial category or at least distinct from your own.

Intuition has nothing to do with prejudice, because you are not passing a judgement (whether you like a person or not) but an understanding (whether that person is black.white.asian)

here you are denying the application of the intuition. I can see trees, without knowing that they are name trees. Language does not create experience, but it describes experience. The cogntive ability to unite, group trees comes naturally, it is not a learnt process. also a learnt process implies a teacher student relationship, so who was the first teacher?

how do they know it is their soul? don’t they have a mirror or a bucket of water? the intuitively understand that it is their face you have capture, and if you are a westerner, they could certainly tell.

ok. so the color ‘black’ or ‘white’ is imaginary. ??? stop lying, your lies stink.

No, I am not dehumanising anyone, but merely asserting the truth that there is more to human than mere humanity, that to be English is different to being French, a point you deny.

The great lie! I knew it would come up sooner or later(intuitively again).

Birds which can procreate is a specie. so is fish, so are the elephants. The fact people can procreate only means we are of the same species. But that does not mean races do not exist. You are saying, we are all humans, therefore we do not belong to any race, then how come as a pure stock I look so different to other races?

You say we are all men. I say some of us are white men, some of us are black men and some of us are Asian men. It is true that only black men and women can have black babies.

no, it is a recent madness. if it was timeless, how come we still look different. stop kidding yourself, liar!

explain to me why men find boys attractive? sexual attraction are some times deviations. you don’t have a SINGLE gene for aversion you idiot, it is intuitive. you are so stupid, find the gene for thought then. hahaha
How come two heterosexuals can beget a homosexual? this is called mutation in nature, a deviation from the norm. The parents can not pass EVERYTHING onto the children, but the parents can choose the RACE of the child for sure.

the parents are male and female, how come the child is not male AND female??? god you think crazy.

How can I tell you are a loner, but intuitively? You are deluding yourself if you think all loners are serious thinkers. you are more like solitary masterbators than anything else. of course, I don’t expect maladjusted loners to understand the importance of racial instinct. do you belong to any race by any chance?

you are really delusional.

no, but you need more than a woman to start the procreation process. so the countless times you ‘did’ it infront of the computer does not mean you are going to have children with the pics of the women in question.

You must look beyond the mere human, into the diversity of nations, colors and races. It important to preserve the identity of human beings. I consider it a sacred duty. All my ancestors belonged to my race, therefore I intend to do the same for my offspring.

I am not JUST a human being you idiot! stop degrading me, we are equal you Marxist fanatic!

Nope, the negation of ‘black’ means I am not a black person, so it is not my responsibility to look after a black child.

not again, evolution is a fantasy. We are decendents of the apes, so why don’t you treat the apes better? the fantasy that we were once ONE race does not mean we ARE NOW of one race. get it right, get on with the times.

no, but there is a higher percentage for criminal conduct in some races than in others.

No, that’s Aristotle’s virtue ethics, not Kant’s Categorical Imperitive (which I have subsequently overturned) but it will do for now.

I compare my battle like that of the Battle of Stanlingrad, this time, the Wehrmacht shall prevail. Lead this time, by the leader of the Waffen SS.

Obw

Alleluia. I know the Holy Spirit which spoke through me can melt hearts of traitors, especially race traitors in the process of racial migration. Welcome back to the truth, welcome back to your people. You were once dead, and now you are alive! Preserve Our Race. POR POR POR

then it is time, you go down to find an English muffin shop in Leeds and feast upon the delicious muffins of England, our Father Land!

After all my efforts, I have one conversion under my belt. Praise to thee my Lord, in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirity, I shall baptise Obw in the truth about the race and of his ancestry, in the unity of the race and Holy Spirit we seek our salvation, Lord hear us!

OK how in the 9 heavens and hells does all this apply to understanding and intuitions? Obviously this is not a discussion on a philisophical plane but an arrogance plane. Oh well Ta Ta have fun