As far as I understand it, Satanism stands for a healthy selfishness and the satisfaction of one’s most instinctual desires. I’m not a Satanist myself, but I have to admit they’re a pretty cool bunch. 
[size=85]Anton Lavey, founder of the Church of Satan[/size]
that’s what satanism stands for? i always thought it had something to do with satan…
For me, Lucifer represents, among other things, the exoteric, as opposed to the esoteric. His adversary, Yahweh, Zeus, Enlil, whatever, seeks to conceal knowledge (power) and wisdom (responsibility), which is why Yahweh didn’t want man to eat of the tree (knowledge of good and evil). From the beginning, Yahweh wanted to keep us innocent, noble savages (some even go so far as to say mindless drones, worker peons). Lucifer wanted to enlighten man, with spiritual, moral and technical gnosis, hence the temptation of eve. Also, Yahweh (or should I say the Elohim (Plural), the Anunaki) didn’t wish us to eat of the tree of eternal life, but I suspect Lucifer did. Therefore, Lucifer represents the emancipation of man, from the bondage of ignorance and servitude, which is the purpose the Enuma Elish (what Genesis is based on) says we were created for. If knowledge is power, then whoever has a monopoly on knowledge, has a monopoly on power. The Elohim said, come, let us seal the entrance to the garden, so they will not eat of the tree of life and gain immortality. When man attempted to build the Tower of Babel, so as to reach the heavens, The Elohim destroyed the tower, fearing men would become Gods (Autotheism). You see, we were engineered in the likeness of the elohim, but we are not the same, we lack full divinity. Also of note, Adam was not the first, there were other prototypes outside the garden.
You see, Lucifer actually represents wisdom, reason and light. The Elohim wish to keep us in the dark, subservient and docile. They do not want us to fullfill our potential. There are those in power today, who want to keep men ignorant, foolish and savage (popular culture), for then we will be forever dependent on their ordinance. We have been lied to. It is Lucifer that is the true friend of man, who wants to see us evolve, spiritually and mentally, Lucifer doesn’t represent the carnal in man, far from it. Lucifer represents self deification, using our intellect, our right brain especially. Being responsible for your own life and actions, and in particular your own thoughts, we are not to let others do the thinking for us. When we follow authority, tradition, our masters, when we trust others to do our thinking for us, we’re not evolving, we are regressing.
Most cultures worshiped Lucifer to some extent, in the form Enki, Prometheus, Hermes and others. It was the Jews who created the lowest form of slave like morality. Lucifer wants us to do something because we know it to be right, not because so and so said. Lucifer wants us to seek genuine truth, but modern education denies us this right, and instead, replaces it with rewards. The more ignorant, savage, barbaric and stupid man is kept, the more in need of a saviour he is (Christ, Dictators, Popes). Then we can be dominated and manipulated by those who don’t necessarily have our best interests at heart, the Elohim and their representitives on earth, the power elite. It is called controlled opposition, problem reaction solution. The healthy don’t need a doctor, the righteous don’t need salvation, the wise don’t need to be told what to do.
In short, Lucifer represents responsibility, genuine knowledge (I know that I know, as opposed to faith), wisdom, man’s spiritual, moral and technological evolution, freedom, individualism, creativity, innovation, independence, the Elohim represent the opposite. The Elohim degrade man, if we do not pass the test, they shall enslave us, rob us of whatever free will we have left. If you do not govern yourself, another may fullfill this role, who may have bad intentions toward you.
In short, Lucifer represents the philosophic and scientific mind, the Elohim represent the religious mind.
Indeed. Lucifer is the actual satyr of the man of knowledge.
And backwards that reads…
And when we roughly translate this back into English we get…
I come to this conclusion as “tneserper” equals serpant which we all know is Satan.
And “mihole” equals “my hole” which refers to the anus (my behind).
Oddly enough when this is read backwards it reads.
I have not worked that one out yet… but almost there.
The person who gave the concept of Satan currency was Jesus of Nazareth, and healthy selfishness was actually his promotion. His analysis meets perfectly with evolutionary theory, that has the development of a really odd species with no fangs, claws, stings, horns or much of a defence mechanism other than intelligence applied in a group context, in a co-operative way. So the interests of the individual in the ‘society’ of that species are the interests of every member of the group. As one of them put it, some time ago, ‘Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee.’
But not, of course, if those desires are opposed to healthy selfishness. Instincts can be destructive, unhealthy and disruptive. That’s why every society of this species places limits on desires, and criminates what is considered excess.
How about:
Nas(bluten) diet yummy eat egg 
Actually it looks like he’s sending virtù these days, so I take that back. 
And of course, the popularity of such adjustment within a people is a sign of ascent. And could it be that man himself has a will to ascent? For truly, the decadence that ends in Sodom is offensive to his heart.
Indeed, Lucifer represents the light of wisdom and self-awareness, and all that follows there from, whereas “God”/yahweh/etc represents the peace and serenity of changelessness, of remaining ignorant. There is beauty in ignorance, ignorance (the interplay of ignorance and knowledge) is really the central concept around which the religious and divine turns. This is why we struggle with knowledge, why knowledge requires effort and is just not “revealed” to man. We are default in a state of ignorance, compared to higher states of wisdom and knowledge, and so the inertia lies with the ignorant state. Therefore great influx of energy is required to change direction, to shift the inertia.
Lucifer needs to be mediated by God; the path of knowledge cannot be a path we run down without regard for our speed of ascent. Knowledge burns, and wisdom is a double-edged sword. Those who have no idea what this means, are assuredly still safe in their womb of ignorance. They are the blessed. The cursed are those who stray from this womb, who seek the fire of prometheus, the light of consciousness and of truth.
God creates Lucifer, mandates this creation, because ignorance is never pure and is never perfect; life strives upward, outside of and away from itself and what it once was. We can only remain content in stasis for so long; the thirst for novelty runs deep in man’s nature. If man were to create a perfect utopia some day, he would then after some time willingly destroy it; and not just to prove that he could, but because he must do so, he would desire it thus. Paradise long inhabited becomes Hell.
Ideally we have wisdom mediated by caution and an appreciation for the beauty of ignorance; ignorance contains and sustains its own truths, it is a bedrock upon which the human sits and from which we must all climb if we indeed strive for enlightenment. It would be foolish to ignore or will-away the ground under our feet, as if ignorance of that upon which we walk could somehow speed or secure our journey.
Where do these ideas come from?
Me.
Hello TTG,
— We are default in a state of ignorance, compared to higher states of wisdom and knowledge, and so the inertia lies with the ignorant state. Therefore great influx of energy is required to change direction, to shift the inertia.
O- Closer to the truth is that we are in a state of belief. What we now see as ignorant was once the gist of all knowledge. We just trade new belief to replace old ones that are depreciated and become “ignorant”. It is not that each belief is inherently stupid or wise. They acquire such qualifications from believers. If you see Satanism as representative of XYC, that is just YOUR belief. That is what you project onto the canvas before you.
As for inertia: Inertia is found not with a person that knows too little but with the person that knows too much. It gives them a confidence that is doubted when we see too many alternatives which cripple the person UNTIL, one alternative, BY BELIEF, a self inflicted ignorance of alternatives that do exist, becomes the “right” move, the “wise” decision. We are stopped the moment we know again of other alternatives.
I don’t think that Satan represents nearly as much as you would all like to think. Nowhere here is any mention of the word “accuser”. Nowhere is it mentioned that the idea is legalistic, tied with a “Day of Judgment”.
Satan represents a legal counselor. A prosecutor that casts doubt on the beauty of things, that reveals inconvenient information. For example, where God saw a righteous man, Satan saw only the appearance of righteousness of the sake of a WTP. IF we associate Satan and the Serpent, then in the first case, where man had seen a God looking out for their well being, the Serpent revealed a God lying for the preservation of his exclusive access to power.
In all cases the scientific mind stands apart. Either case requires choice. The only thing that does change is what we believe we know. Either case dealt with the issue of power, a power struggle so to speak between man and creator. God is God for the sake of man. If God was not seeking to help Man it would be, for that man (like Job), as if he had no God.
But suppose that we stand by the suggested symbols that are admirable, such as wisdom and knowledge…actually I would call wisdom incompatible with knowledge, but that is my thing, and that Satan, if anything, could only represent knowledge, what do we see? Something quite deep, because knowledge is indeed a temptation that comes with unintended consequences. God and Satan are followed for the same reason: the satisfaction of our WTP. But the lie God told was to the benefit of man, while the revelation of the Serpent, while quite true, harmed man, for the Serpent knew about the true nature of the fruit and also about God jealous nature, and the reaction disobedience would create in God. Some things are not meant to be known. When known chaos ensues.
Is Order worth a lie?
Is chaos justified by the truth?
That is what is answered by those parables.
Knowledge = power, Wisdom = responsibility. The more powerful man is, the more wisdom he requires. The noble savage has little need for wisdom.
He who has the capacity for knowledge, has the capacity for wisdom. Knowledge of good and evil = wisdom.
Thus arises the need for wisdom, control and restraint.
God represents WTS (will to slavery). Intellectual and spiritual dependence. The Elohim occasionally and conditionally supply men with fish, Lucifer teaches men to fish for themselves. The Elohim are symbolic of primitive man’s child like innocence. He finds all value, meaning, purpose and council outside of himself, in the Gods, in the heavens, in the kings and popes. Rather than utilize our newly acquired intellectual abilities, we are commanded to have faith.
Knowledge without wisdom is bound to harm man and nature.
As for the powers that be, I say to hell with them.
Hermes is the God of knowledge, Athena is the Goddess of wisdom.
Prometheus (Lucifer) is symbolic of our capacity for both. Zeus (Yahweh) is symbolic of bad faith, our fear and rejection of our free will, reason and conscience. Instead, we are taught to freely surrender our will to parents and teachers, the king, the pope, and above all, to Zeus. It’s no wonder why Islam means submission in Arabic. We are taught to be like eternal children or slaves (I think the latter). Never excersizing our God (Lucifer) given abilities. Such is the state of man today.
As Trismegistus pointed out, free will, reason and conscience are double edged swords. It is not difficult to see why many would happily exchange them…
In the light of “knowledge” and “responsibility”, the whole idea of ‘adversarial manifestation’ should seem unnecessary and absurd. You worship yourself all day long, why bother putting on airs that serve the same function indirectly?
The philosopher cannot help but abstract and idealize patterns he has observed in nature. The spirtual man goes one step further, by personifying and worshiping these ideals and abstractions. Perhaps they do have a life of their own somewhat independent of the material plane, in our collective consciousness, as Platonic forms or even deities, which would explain why civilizations the world over have many myths, legends, heroes and deities in common. Maybe they are not merely products of our imagination. Could we interact with these idealizations, these universals? Can they aid us in ways peculiar to their personas? Why not give it a go? What is more real, the mind or the body, the synthetic, psychic wholes, or the analytic, physical parts? Things go 'round and 'round, but similar things and states of being continue to manifest time and time again. This is the dream time the Australoids speak of, when they self consciously seek to imitate the universals. A timeless, spirtual and organic world, where thoughts, symbols and forms are more real than clay. Unfortunately, we have forgotten about this world, our home. We have migrated too far.
When we self consciously attempt to imitate the universals, for a moment, do we become one with the dream time, do we invoke the divine? There is a certain mysterious pleasure in conceptualizing the world, no? In this world of ceaseless change, concepts can become the sense of stability, permanence, unity and clarity we’re searching for. Details change, but essence remains. Enki/Prometheus/Hermes/Lucifer is one of these essences, but possibly something more. When we focus on symbolic representations of him, when we pray to him, does he and more of what he symbolically represents, magickally manfiest within our lives and the lives of others?
I believe there is a long lost logic behind spirtuality, symbolism, prayer, magick and ritual, a logic we have gradually been made unaware of. Our leaders seem to believe there to be a logic to it.
Hello Lucis,
— Knowledge = power, Wisdom = responsibility. The more powerful man is, the more wisdom he requires. The noble savage has little need for wisdom.
O- So we agree, even if by different reasons…What is of greater value: Wisdom or Innocence?
— He who has the capacity for knowledge, has the capacity for wisdom. Knowledge of good and evil = wisdom.
O- Humanity, according to the myth, has acquired such knowledge, like fire, and again, against the will of the gods. Do you see humanity as wise? I do see that they still command fire, but I do not see them being wise. With power, capacity, ability, comes responsibility. So, I agree that there is a difference between knowledge and wisdom, and that wisdom is related, in some way, to responsibility, but not that knowledge of good and evil as equivalent to wisdom. It is equal to responsibility, but not to wisdom, and that is why wisdom cannot be simply an equivalent of responsibility. It is much more than that. It requires living a responsible life, a life in accordance to what is actually good. And there is the rub, because “what is good?”, Socrates asked. So simple and yet so elusive, because the fact is that good is mostly, just a prejudice, an interpretation and that we are always good in our own eyes…another Socratic legacy.
— Thus arises the need for wisdom, control and restraint.
O- Because knowledge, in itself, is not always of value; because, indeed, it is sometimes harmful to life. Knowledge in ancient Greece became controlled, restrained, filtered. Knowledge, as I said before, is only belief. Without belief, without faith, there is no knowledge whatsoever. It all begins with a choice. So, control, restraint, but according to whom, to what standard? Our own. But of course part of that WTP is the universalization of the individual, the preservation of priviledge. The restraint on knowledge is always, as the parable showed, the restraint of knowledge of good and evil, in fact, of evil. Innocence is not the knowledge of good but the abcense of knowledge about evil. What man gained was not wisdom, for that is gained only by life, but responsibility for living wisely or not. But only in a parable is knowledge of good and evil an object equal to all. We may think in such categories as “good” and “evil”, but there is nothing objective as to how we apply those terms. The terrorist is the hero depending on who gets to choose the labels, categorizing between good and evil.
— God represents WTS (will to slavery).
O- Not at all. That was Satan’s whole point to God when accusing Job. Job was anything but a born slave, and yet God expected nothing short of that. We are ALL like Job. Religion, for humanity, is a narrative of power, a control device. God is a lever we can control, through prayer, through sacrifice…not a master at all.
— The Elohim occasionally and conditionally supply men with fish, Lucifer teaches men to fish for themselves.
O- Satan can teach men how to fish for fish, while Jesus taught men how to fish for human souls. That is the great difference. What Satan can teach is useful…for this life. What God offers as gifts is eternallu useful, for we are talking then about eternal life. I am not saying that this is what you should believe, or anyone else, but I am saying that the concerns of atheists and theists are different in this way. People don’t go to Church because they want legal advice, but because they want spiritual advice to secure comfort in the spiritual life to come.
— The Elohim are symbolic of primitive man’s child like innocence. He finds all value, meaning, purpose and council outside of himself, in the Gods, in the heavens, in the kings and popes. Rather than utilize our newly acquired intellectual abilities, we are commanded to have faith.
O- Something outside himself is also something objective and as objective, something real. When Europe abandoned it’s Churches, It’s Pope and Kings, he was left scrambbling for new idols, new universal objects to escape a relativism that breeds apathy. Let me give an example:
Recently (and really I don’t even need to put names like John Edwards, because it is repetitive as a phenomenon) a politician was forced to resign, here in America, not because he had stolen money, or in some other way abused his office, but because he was caught making racial remarks. He was, to say the least, politically incorrect. But what that really means is that he was immoral, out of step with the religious mores of the poly he supposedly represented. There was no ambiguity. It was almost an objective wrong, even if this country stands by the ideal of freedom of speech!
In Europe, Silvio Berlusconi got caught with a minor prostitute called Ruby, in what is now called “Ruby-Gate”. However he is still in power and under no pressure to resign. Because there is no objective moral, no universal moral standard, there is no moral law that forces him to step down.
As for the use of our abilities. Science rests on many assumptioms that you have to take on faith. Theories are built on other theories. Without a foundation based on faith our intellect could not build anything at all. Behind the most rational system you could find, lies an irrational foundation.
— Knowledge without wisdom is bound to harm man and nature.
O- Men have always harmed other men, and nature, guided by their interpretation of what is good and what is evil and thus guided by “wisdom”.
— As for the powers that be, I say to hell with them.
O- Without the powers that be, it is a bruttish place we live in, every man for himself until one or more subject the rest.