I’ve been reading this report on the following website: relfe.com/vaccine.html
What’s the our intellectual jury’s final verdict on vaccines?
shots hurt
Well, having skimmed the report, and lacking the time to actually check his extensive references I’ll outline a few obvious concerns I have with this particular document and then I’ll weigh in with my opinion on vaccination…
- In myth number 5 the author claims (without real evidence):
“The vast majority of the time, childhood infectious diseases are benign and self-limiting.”
However, I must beg to differ with that description: tetanus, diptheria, pertusis, meningitis, influenza, and even strep throat are not benign or particularily self limiting. The evidence that he shows about how no one died or was admitted to intensive care was presumably among a vaccinated population which makes it difficult to know how outbreak would have run in an unvaccinated population.
- In myth number 7:
“The documented long term adverse effects of vaccines include chronic immunological and neurological disorders such as autism, hyperactivity, attention deficit disorder, dyslexia, allergies, cancer, and other conditions, many of which barely existed 30 years ago before mass vaccination programs. Vaccine components include known carcinogens such as thimersol, aluminum phosphate, and formaldehyde (the Poisons Information Centre in Australia claims there is no acceptable safe amount of formaldehyde which can be injected into a living human body).”
No citation, and I’ve read a study that concluded that autism and vaccination were NOT linked. I’ll see if I can hunt it up.
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Myth number 8 is a difficult claim, especially when he claims that homeopathic remedies have no side effects. (Even though they most definitely do have side effects.)
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He seems to be selling some stuff at the bottom, I’m not exactly sure what his position is, but he doesn’t seem to be as neutral as he claims.
As far as my own opinion, I kind of find it difficult to believe that the CDC, community health workers, doctors, and nurses are all either wrong, lying, or just out to make a buck. But, I could cetainly be wrong and am not an authority in any way. Its interesting that he doesn’t mention hepatitis though.
cheers,
gemty
If you skip all the blah blah blah and look at the bottom of this piece, it is obvious that he is selling homeopathic remedies either as a substitute for vaccination or to “cure” undocumented side effects of vaccination. He recommends thuja as an over-all ameliorative for supposed vaccination side effects. He really ought to look into the thujas and their near cousins. Some of the plants are poisonous if improperly used.
It’s bad science with all the usual take a tiny drop of paint and spread it over the whole world.
Vaccines aren’t perfect and there are adverse reactions including death. Ask the people in a community with a small pox or cholera outbreak if they would care for an immunization program or not.
People are welcome to all the homeopathic preventatives they can handle, but me and mine will take the risks of vaccination.
O G, you may not know it, but you may have started a firestorm… 
Yeah, I just want to point out again my major disagreement with myth number 5… childhood diseases being benign and self limiting.
Just a few quick facts from everyone’s favourite wikipedia:
- Measels:
-is highly contagious
- fatality rates in undeveloped countries are commonly 10%, they are as high as 30% in immunocompromised patients.
-according to the WHO, there were 30 million cases and 875 000 deaths from the measels in the reported year
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Tetanus:
is responsible for 300 000 to 500 000 deaths per year worlwide and is a leading cause of infant mortality in devloping countries. -
Diptheria:
may have a fatality rate of 20% in children under 5 and is considered to be very contagious -
Pertussis - whooping cough.
Is highly contagious and kills roughly 300 000 children per year. 90% of cases occur in developing countries. Complications include:
" pneumonia, encephalitis, pulmonary hypertension, and secondary bacterial superinfection."
Sorry to be repetitive but I just cannot stress enough how virulent and pathogenic these diseases are. They are not benign or self limiting.
cheers,
gemty
I don’t think anyone can argue that the vaccine wasn’t one of the greatest inventions in medicine. Since its inception vaccinations have saved countless lives.
It’s that premise we are calling into question here though
And I think its a premise we should question as part of a move towards evidence based medicine… bye bye MAST pants (sorry, that’s another rant)
Anyway, I tend to lean towards the side of UNICEF and the WHO in terms the importance of vaccination. As well, while there are costs to vaccination (but then again, even aspirin kills people) what would the costs be if we didn’t vaccinate?
Cheers,
gemty
The harsh chemicals within vaccines to harm then good to the body, because “immunity” to a single, by chance disease that may not even be contracted–this factor is dwarfed by the general damaged resistence to every other problem the physical body faces, because of the harsh chemicals.
Silent had a seizure after a vaccine, once.
She knows of other people [friends] who also got neurological damage from a vaccine. This damage is obviously worse then a potential infection of a single pathogen.
Vaccine companies make more then millions of dollars from the government, but they are selling deadly “snake-oil”.
Capitolism corruption has penitrated deeply into “modern-medicine”, especially “western-medicine”, and there are more then a numerable mass of people who “dope-you-up” or kill you, get payed, and do it again.
Doctor induced death, for example, has become very legally protected and beurocratically “experienced”. Doctors have everything now set out, as do hospital staff, so that they are legally protected from their action or non-action, because of the method fitting into and becoming immune to the limited prosecution system.
Doing your own medical research, and buying alternative healthcare products are a very wise choice, but even alternative healthcare products are subject to corruption and “snake-oil”, “magick-bullet” tactics.
Much like a civilians resistance towards a military draft, power hungery killers now exist in the medical field and have strong armed people into their own exploitation positions, and the civilian’s ignorance of physiology and available therapy issues is their primarily exploited weakness.
Yes, money in your pocket is a death surtificate.
These sorts of things seem to have a twisted logic about them. Doctors, professors, scientists and experts are slowly killing us all and damaging society, because there’s no way to predict the long term health effects of these actions, and modern medicine isn’t perfect- in fact, it’s seriously flawed. We shouldn’t trust these people blindly, or put our faith into the idea that their solutions work.
Fine.
But give me Google and 15 minutes on a rainy afternoon, and suddenly I know better, and can feel confident drinking/eating/injecting or suppositorificating whatever strikes me as a good idea?
EDIT: My point is, if science doesn’t know what to do regarding medicine, the conclusion is that we common people are hopelessly screwed, NOT that we common people know better by buying herbs and so on.
We may be screwed in a certain sense… but we are not hopeless. Or at least we are not will-less.
I may not get all the answers… .but you can’t blame us for at least trying to look at different facts.
The point is that people should have a choice.
…Wait… what?
That has nothing to do with that we’re talking about. People already have a choice.
That doesn’t mean you will have a choice tomorrow.
I was force vaccinated in Canada during my high school years along with all the students.
We were told that if we don’t take a shot they will not let us back in school to graduate.
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So… because you were forced in the past to be vaccinated, it means that in the future I will be forced to?
Not too sure about that.
I went to High School in Canada, I don’t remember mandatory vaccinations. Seems a little conservative for us to not allow an opt out. I could be wrong though…
Anyways, to opt out is a means, a means to what? Freedom to perform certain actions isn’t so much the issue here as it is -why- we want to (not) get vaccinated.
It’s that why that I’m wondering about, albiet idly.
Well weed can play with your mind. Maybe you are older than I. It was brought in durring my last year.
Why are you twisting what I said? I never said it means you will be forced…I said it is possible. Is this not possible Gobbo? 
People only twist things when they can’t handle the information and they can’t find any other means to invalidate it.
You miss the point entirely… if you think vaccines will be banned you are nuts. If you think everyone will see eye to eye with a particular medical treatment with contradictory scientific reports…you are nuts. This is why it is only important that you have a choice.
Frankly I think vaccines are great…but only if they are toxic…it is not known to be so by the majority…and people have a choice to take it or not. Call it forced microevolution.
That part is easy to answer. Because there are contradictory scientific reports. Because some scientists say it is toxic. Because some scientists do not like the production methods being used to make the vaccines. Because some scientists say that it is nutrition and not vaccines that wiped out polio and other diseases. Because some people get sick from vaccines. Because some people die from vaccines.