Victims of pedophile priests and imams help create more vict

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Victims of pedophile priests and imams help create more victims with silence.

Note that the ultimate responsibility lies with the victims, but that their parents, as their guardians, are the ones I blame and not the child victims.

I recently watched this disturbing movie and recognize that what it portrays fairly closely what is happenings in reality right now.

google.ca/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=fQa … ht+trailer

The silence and complicity of the religious are facilitating and colluding in the future assaults on children. Silence or the acceptance of a payoff, in my opinion, is direct collusion with these religious criminals and I see the past victims of these pedophiles as now helping their own assailants create new victims by their silence.

I appreciate that going public is hard, but if victims do not come forward, I see them as helping the priests and imams that are left free to abuse other children.

There are some who will read this and know that, in a real sense, victims or their parents are guilty of helping the pedophile problem continue.

I would urge these victims and their families to step up and do the right thing and return the payoffs and lay charges instead so that we can rid our churches and mosques of these predatory criminals.

Do you agree that silence is just as immoral as the initial crime when victims or their guardian/parents accept payoffs from religions to buy their silence?

Regards
DL

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Fully agree.

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Sure, it is better if you come forward, if it is better. Your kid has been raped. To go to trial and witness will be, for some a retraumatization. If it seemed to me my kid was really damaged and could not take more, that would affect my decision. If the prosecutor said that it was an iffy case and that we might lose. That would also be a factor. I might in that situation take whatever compensation I could. The ideal is to testify, but unless you’ve walked a mile in their shoes - and if you haven’t then talk is really cheap - you might want to consider that a parent has a built in urge to protect their own child and if they have no guarantee it will help other children or if their own child will be damaged more, it is not simply ‘not easy’ but a very, very hard decision. And the children cannot possibly be held responsible for not coming forward. It may not be their choice, they cannot possibly weigh everything and they should not be pressured to think of others. If they want to great, and some have done it as adults, which is safer for the victim.’

And no silence is not as immoral as the orginal crime. I could stay friends with a family that made the hard decision you think is so clear, but I could not possibly remain friends with a pedophile.

Backseat driving like this seems facile and cold to me.

I have a guess that your anger at organized religions is motivating your demand for the perfection of the religious. That demanding perfection is precisely one of the problems of organized religions, so now we have a secular version of it.

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It says just clergy but for me it is about all abusers and yea friends and family have been there. When silence and accepting cash allows a criminal to be free to harm others it is wrong. Yes it is hard and painful but, you with your knowledge become an accessory to the next act and the next and the next. How do you think the next victims will feel? You are safe with a nest egg and their child is harmed as yours was and it goes on and on. Keeping quiet out of fear or pay off harms the next victims just as much as the perpetrator harms. And if a god wishes you to protect its priests then you need to walk.

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Religion are in a position of trust and that makes their offence a higher level than the usual, but I am disgusted with all of society on this and not just religions. The press, police and courts are all doing the wrong things.

“And no silence is not as immoral as the orginal crime. I could stay friends with a family that made the hard decision you think is so clear, but I could not possibly remain friends with a pedophile.”

Silence, I see as collusion and pimping out your child.

Would you still stay friends with a family that stayed silent and did not warn you and your child became the predators next victim?

I try to look at all the players and victims in the life of a predator and silence makes the problem huge instead of small.

Regards
DL

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Doing unto others means warning your community.

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DL

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Yes it does.

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The Vatican does not seem to agree.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=189798&p=2590513#p2590513

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DL

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Yes. It means yelling FIRE!!! in the theater.

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When there is a fire, absolutely.

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DL

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it’s not exactly the easiest thing to come forward and many don’t come forward because of what they can be put through further even in the justice system. the system is corrupt

when it comes to your word versus another, it is never enough to stop these evil reprobates

lie detectors and std/sti tests are not admissible in court. gotta love it right?

if they are brave and strong enough come forward they are a hero, they at least tried to stop it from happening from anyone else.

in my eyes vatican city has never been about God, it is just a group of charlatans

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Doing the moral right thing is rarely easy because we are a selfish species on a selfish world where all or most species are designed to be selfish for survival. But, protecting all children should be a moral meme.

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When a crime is committed against a child, we are all victimized. Why did a guy walk into an elementary school at Sandy Hook and shoot a bunch of little kids? Was he angry at those little kids? Highly unlikely. He was angry at society, and killing the most innocent among us is the ultimate expression of that anger.

When I was a little kid, a playmate of mine was raped and murdered; her naked body dumped in a ditch on the side of the road. I still remember Shirley, and I still remember my mother telling me that she had been murdered. It doesn’t matter that I was three years old at the time; nor does it matter that it was 44 years ago. When this kind of thing happens to one of your friends, you never forget. I took comfort in believing that the guy who did this was dead, until a few weeks ago, when I decided to look the case up on the internet, only to learn that the case had never been closed, there had been no suspects, or even a person of interest. At least that was the official word of the police department. But just the possibility that the guy who had done this could still be out there walking the street opened up an old wound, and it may as well have been yesterday as 44 years ago. I remember things that might have been relevant to the case, that I never thought anything of, because I thought the case had been solved. I took that information to the police, and they have since reopened the file on Shirley’s murder, although there is little chance that they will ever get a conviction now.

Rape isn’t about sex; it’s about anger, and anyone who rapes a child is angry and evil. When they found Shirley, her face was all bruised. What kind of sick bastard does this to a child? In a way I kind of envy Shirley. Shirley lived those carefree, innocent years, and never had to grow up and experience the ugliness of this world (except for that one night in the spring of 1972, when it all ended). For me and her other playmates, a piece of our own childhood was taken from us also that day. We grew up with the knowledge that the world was not the place of magic it once was. But inevitably, all children everywhere find this out, one way or another. And this is the victory of the bastards who do these things. Little by little, our childhood is robbed from each and everyone of us.

But I refuse to give them this victory. I could be angry, and stay angry for the rest of my life. But if I do this, has Shirley’s murderer not only killed Shirley, but me as well? If I take my anger out on others, am I not, little by little, robbing that childhood innocence we all once shared from others? Instead, I take that anger and convert into something positive. :stuck_out_tongue: I am going to do my part to help build a world where children do not have their innocence stolen from them, when they are barely old enough to know how to walk. They say that God is love, but I don’t understand how children are being victimized practically underneath his altars, and they can still say that God is love. Well, if there is no god, or if he doesn’t care, that is not going to change my mind. Even if it was all a lie, I grew up believing in the power of love, and even if there is no god looking out for the little children, then so be it, but if I suspect that a child is being abused, I will not look the other way.

I can’t say that I truly remember what Shirley looked like, but at least in my mind, I picture her as looking something like Scout, from the movie To Kill a Mockingbird:

youtube.com/watch?v=oaVuVu5KXuE

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Thank you for that. Can we actually blame a god that may want the species to grow? If a god protected us from harm there could be no true education or evolution. We must evolve memes that promote species intellect and …

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You may be able find some purpose in all of this, but I find it difficult to accept. What good can come from a world that teaches us to hate? To understand evil and to come to reject it is one thing, but to become so acquainted with it that we are forever tainted with it … this is difficult for me.

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Purpose in life? Well quit looking for that evasive crittur. Just realize that without problems, wrongs , challenges and hates, all life would just be single cell things floating around. No plants, no animals, nothing. Evolution would not even occur for anything. There would be no love, laughter, fun, enjoyment, warmth. You can spend your sanity looking for purpose or you can just work to be better and love as much as you can. Get your butt outside today and see beauty, find it, enjoy it, make beauty somehow.

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U C 20/20.

We just need a few more heroes and a justice system that cares just a tad more and which will not let pedophile priests and imams buy their way out of jail and into their next victim.

Regards
DL

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More voices are speaking the truth that we do not seem to care about each other anymore.

Some blame the welfare state and even as I agree to some extent, I would not vote to end it.

We have to find a new way to show each other respect and the love of neighbors.

I agree that that has to begin with the male attitudes towards their children and women.

Regards
DL