WANTED: The Old Testament -- dead... or alive?

WANTED: The Old Testament – dead… or alive?

So that this doesn’t turn into a faith vs. works discussion – please see my thread on that subject, if this thread should ever trigger the opening of the “faith vs. works” file in your brain.

I have observed some poetic use of the phrase “dead letter” here at ILP and wanted to clear up some possible confusion about Paul’s view of the oldness of the letter (Rom 7:6). There are two senses of the word “letter” when New Testament authors use it in a negative context.

In one sense, they are referring to “going through the motions” (externally following the letter – sometimes just traditions of men and not the Law itself) in an effort to earn God’s favor, as opposed to being indwelt by the Spirit of grace in acceptance of His freely-given, un-earnable love (empowering us to follow the spirit of the law because we love God, rather than “following the letter” because we think that’s how to earn God’s love… which demonstrably can’t be earned). Following the spirit of the law, rather than the letter of the law, does not result in going crazy in sin – as seen in Matthew 5:17-48, the standard is raised when you follow the spirit of the law. Jesus wants the law to penetrate all the way into the deepest parts of our being. He does not want an outward show for the sake of appearance.

In another sense, the term “letter” is also used to refer to the fact that the law by itself can only show us our error, whereas it is God’s grace (unearned love) that makes us right with Him … not by getting rid of the law… but by writing it on our hearts (kinda like burning it into our memory, but better) with a demonstration of freely-given love in Jesus’ death and resurrection (loving us the way the law expects us to love) (Gal 5:14).

When the phrase “dead letter” (not found in the New Testament) was used poetically in ILP – the author was referring to the Old Testament in its entirety… as if God’s Word is not “living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword” (Heb 4:12) and needed some artistic freshening-up. The New Testament writers did not consider the writings of “The Law and the Prophets” to be “dead letter” – here’s how they did feel about it…

–pp. 569-570, Zondervan’s Handbook to the Bible, 1999.

–pp. 742-743, Zondervan’s Handbook to the Bible, 1999

As for the reference to the Old Testament as “dead letter” – I tell you this… if you like reading Tolkein… which is reading fiction… you will be a million times more impressed with the non-fiction events recorded in the Bible, which have a similar flavor to what Tolkein was trying to do. If you like movies like Indiana Jones and National Treasure (minus the Masons malarkey), which are steeped in history and relics and artifacts and what-not (though they are, indeed, fiction) – you will love researching what you find in the Bible. My Zondervan’s Handbook to the Bible has all sorts of pictures of old artifacts and references to ancient literature – and if you have money, you can go see them for yourself.

I don’t think the Old Testament needs any artistic freshening up – I think you just need to do a little digging and uncover its myriad hidden treasures… then go write a poem about it or something. I recommend “The Message” on XM radio… but that’s just me.

and who are you to tell people what they need to do ?
" Old Testament " how retarded that sounds ! ( Torah )
" New Testament " sounds even worst. ( Words of Jesus )

much love

Jewpiter

No offense intended, thyme. I wouldn’t expect anyone to do something I’m not myself willing to do, so … here’s an example:

Straightway Swept Away

To: my King

I came to You broken with fear and trembling
You stretched out Your hand and mastered my ascending
Plucked from the fire, chosen before the beginning
Resurrected by the finger of God, dancing
Done with spineless speculating, with pretending
Everything else in my life all foreshadowing
Found understanding in the shadow of Your wing
The mire Your incorruptible love transcending
In indelible ink, in Your own blood writing
To suffer death for friends, Son of God descending
The narrow path Your Word ever enlightening
Spongy mirror of my heart Your will reflecting
By You my soul walking, for Your return waiting

“Something so amazing, in a heart so dark and dim, when the walls fall down, and the light comes in” - Sara Groves, Something Changed

I keep forgetting to explain this, but thankfully remembered at the last minute! The reason for the titles Old Testament and New Testament are due to the fact that they are referring to the old covenant (law, Moses) and the new covenant (grace, Jesus). The old covenant (though incomplete) is not to be thrown out any more than old people are to be thrown out… that’s why most bibles include both the Old and New Testament. Hope that explains it.

By the way, I did not miss the significance of your name.

Piece is to full as thy is to me. Interesting. Not true, but interesting.

PieceFullthyme –

I figure, instead of expect you to take my word for it in my above post, perhaps I’ll provide some Biblical backing…

In the back of my Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance there is a subject index. The listing on testament defines it as a covenant, or a person’s will, and gives these verses: Matthew 26:28; Hab 8:6-13; 9:15-17 and 2 Cor 3:6 – for that last one there is a good note in my Zondervan’s NASB Study Bible – “new covenant. Here Paul takes up the theme suggested by the mention of ‘tablets of human hearts’ (v.3). See Heb 8-10 and note on Heb 7:22. Paul’s reference to ministers of a new covenant in contrast to the ‘ministry of death’ (v.7) may have been occasioned by his opponents in Corinth who were Judaizers, perhaps those who claimed to be associated with Peter (1 Cor 1:12) and wh are referred to as Hebrews in 11:22 (see note there). the letter. The ‘tablets of stone’ on which the letter of the law was originally written (see Ex 24:12; 31:18; 32:15-16). the Spirit. The writing of the law ‘with the Spirit of the living God … on tablets of human hearts,’ which was the promise of the new covenant as foretold by the prophets (see Jer 31:31-34; 32:39-40; Ezek 11:19; 36:26). the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Does not mean that the external, literal sense of Scripture is deadly or unprofitable while the inner, spiritual (mystical or mythical) sense is vital. ‘The letter’ is synonymous with the law as an external standard before which all people, because they are lawbreakers, stand guilty and condemned to death. Therefore it is described as the ‘ministry of death’ and the ‘ministry of condemnation’ (vv.7,9). On the other hand, the Spirit who gives life is the ‘Spirit of the living God’ who, in fulfillment of the promise of the new covenant, writes that same law inwardly ‘on tablets of human hearts’ (v.3). He thus provides the believer with the love for God’s law, which previously he had hated, and with power to keep it, which previously he did not possess.”

Hope that helps.