As seen in Dante Alighieri’s inferno, is hell subjective? Does you’re degree of sin dictate the severity of you’re “punishments”?
From where does thou get an ideal of hell?
Dante recieved his ideals about hell from the Roman Church at the time. (roughly 1400’s).
Where did the roman church get it’s ideals of hell?
Partly from other religions and the bible.
The roman church got it’s ideals from different parts? How could they teach then? Did they not have some standard to go by?
The bible is probably the most reasonable answer, or the most reasonable answer of what they should be going by if they use the bible at all.
I think it rather lame to say if Dante was right. Because, how can this question be answered? If you’re going from biblical interreptation, go from that, if not, what do you have? You have just thoughts. You may as well as ask if I’m right in saying inside black holes there are unicorns, you could discuss if I’m right, but what good would it do? What conclusion would we come to? Provoking thought possibly? But couldn’t time be spent better? I’m only saying this so maybe post like this will stop, however I do know they’re great at branching arguments as probably one will come off this.
peopel tend to accept what the catholic chruch sends up.
my question though was wheter punishments in hell are subjective to you’re severity of sin
Well…I have become fond of studying examples of hell in cultures. And the Biblical sense of hell and that which was represented by the RCC is an amalgamam of Sumerian, Judaic, Egyptian, pagan, and a hodgepodge of other minor places. Take note of all the demonic entities places in the Bible and check out the background on them. Baal = an ancient Judaic god, Satyrs are often attributed as demons which stem from Greek god Pan, and there are a cornucopia of more.
Hell, if you read Dante you know that there is the presence of many cultures. And it is common knowledge the church demonized old gods of other places.
In case you are unfamiliar with him and his work.
Now, Club, we are speaking about the punishments involved in hell. Hell is/was actually deemed as a equivocal to Hades. Herein the punishments were equal to the sins. Sisphyus pushes a stone up a hill eternally. In Dante’s Inferno Sisiphyus remains. Also in the Inferno people who fall to the sins of flesh are constantly tearing at their innards due to their desire for the flesh.
If there is a hell I would expect it to be a place of great suffering. But I do not believe in hell. The closest example of hell I would believe in would be that of samsara.
liars have excrement forced out there mouths. most of the punishments are ironic
do you think the “best” and the “worst” persons in hell recieve the same punisment. Or do you thing the lighter sinners reicieve some…mercy.
Oh i’m familiar with it, I studied it last year.
You do not believe in hell, but you would believe possibly if it were close to that of samsara… ok…
My point is, you have to have a moral law standard to judge acts. You’d have to have some scale to go by to even think something of this up. So the question now is, where did Dante get his inspiration? Some acts were worse than others? Why? Who says so? Why is it one person may have a inclination to do a worse act in Dante’s eyes, whereas another has an inclination to do a lesser? When did dante give himself this right, and why? This is my question.
I take it you are unfamiliar with this notion.
From the Bible and the Roman Catholics idea of hell.
His idealogies once again came from the Bible and the Roman Catholic Church. Who knows why people do what they do? He was just a fiction writer to me so I am not sure beyond the ideas he used which were prevalant in his time.
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I’m just wondering, what would be the severest form of “punishment” there is?
How is this “punishment” accomplished?
What is accomplished by being “punished”?
What or who is the “punisher”?
What is being “punished”?
Who will punish the punisher?
All I shall say will be in accoradance with the book.
In the book Lucifer is encapsulated in a frozen lake and gorges himself on Judas, Brutus, and Cassius (the world’s greatest betrayers).
Lucifer, God, hell’s minions, and the individual.
I guess the understanding of one’s sin. Personally I find this idea saddening because how can anyone grow if they are punished for all eternity?
This is the punishement of being eaten over and over again by Lucifer.
The greatest sin was betrayal as one could see with Judas, Cassius, and Brutus.
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the punishment of being eaten over and over? Eaten…meaning Lucifer opens her mouth and chews and swallows, the pylorus opens and admits the chewed-up-you into her stomach and that good-part-of-you circulated in Lucifer’s system and the bad-part-of-you excreted and are you serious? I don’t understand, so sinners enter the mouth and come out whole again and the process repeated? Who gets tired, Lucifer or the sinners or both? Doesn’t Lucifer suffers indigestion from all the sins and dirt and everything bad? Please explain how Lucifer eats over and over again the sinners.
home.earthlink.net/~zimls/HELLXXXIV.html#top
Read this and gather as much as you can. I highly recommend at least reading Inferno if not Purgatorio and Paradisimo.
is the casual sinner punished more severly than the worst
hehe I guess one must ask can one sin casually than?
The bible perhaps answers this question…
KJV Matthew 11:20-24
20 Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not: 21 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22 But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. 23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. 24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.
I think even Jesus himself believed that the punishment must fit the crime…
-Thirst
id think that there are vayring degress to the sevarity of sin.
I.e somebnody who just barely missed the cutt for heaven
versus the guy whom kills little girls and rapes the corpse
In the text there is the idea of Purgatory, where some of the sins are burned away.
So yes I guess there is a slight difference.