Did you say anything different to what I said?
Yes I did.
Experiential is personal to the individual.
The self measures and tests the philosophical formula +/-=+/- at the psychological level for genuineness.
As I said, player science is different to spectator (observer) science.
The self is not the in or out of the moment consciousness states or the mind movement which results in these toggling consciousness experiences.The self merely engages with the automated biological machine at the psychological level and in doing so experiences the two different consciousness states (in/out of the moment).
Vibration of matter is required to produce varying frequency electromagnetic energy waves which contain binary logic required for biological machine programming.The only way that this binary logic can be produced is by balancing the attractive and repulsive electromagnetic force interactions N/S=N/S that exist between all matter hence 0/1=0/1 binary logic is produced.
The self which is still and separate from vibrating matter/consciousness resides at the centre of this formula and interprets these electromagnetic energy waves which are picked up by the physical bodyâs senses and then converted into a language that the self can understand.
All sciences are important but psychological science is the most important of all.
Do you suppose children are born tabula rasa ? According to ethological theory every animal species possesses a repertoire of behaviors which depend on structures and revolution has built into the nervous system species. Ethologists call these structures innate releasing mechanisms (IRMs). Each IRM is prime to become active when an appropriate stimulus called a sign stimulus is encountered in the environment. When such a stimulus appears, the innate mechanism is released, and the animal response with the characteristic pattern of behavior, which is adapted through evolution to the situation. So, for example, When a female greylag goose observes an egg outside her nest (the stimulus), she will instinctively use her beak to roll the egg back into the nest. This is a sequence of stereotyped movements, and if the egg is removed mid-action, the goose will continue the rolling motion as if the egg were still there.
So according to the theory of the collective unconscious, archetypes operate in a similar way in human beings. An archetype is not an inherited idea, but rather an inherited mode of functioning corresponding to the inborn way in which the chick emerges from the nest. The bird builds its nest, a certain kind of wasp things the motor gang go of the caterpillar and the eels find their way to the Bermudas. In other words, an archetype is a biologically based behavior patternâ a predisposition to have certain experiences. The human organism is encoded as a series of archetypal determinants which are actualized in response to inner and outer events in the course of the lifecycle. So if Jungâs theory of the collective unconscious is true, universal archetypes like the hero the shadow, the dragon, the wise old man, the trickster and others would occur to the children in their dreams and fantasies spontaneously, despite the fact that they were cut off from any culture at large.
Itâs an ancient proposition based on the empirical observation that outside of consciousness we know nothing.
ââŚFor all we knowâŚâ Right. Outside of consciousness we know nothing and we merely imagine that there is an outside.
Is consciousness a process? Iâm unaware that there is a scientific consensus about what consciousness is. And it seems you have adopted a metaphysical materialist theory for which consciousness is a hard problem. Thatâs your representation.
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If all the people and animals in the world simply disappeared today, there would be nothing left in the universe but an immense amount of dead matter. Without animals and humans, there is no consciousness. The planets where there is no life, the entire infinity of space in the universe where there is no life, there is no âconsciousnessâ there organizing and managing things. The biggest hunk of the universe is simply âthereâ. It has no need of a consciousness. This is a phenomenon restricted to our planet and its living parts. [/quote]
Again, this is your representation based on acceptance of conventional metaphysical materialist assumptions.
The collective unconsciousness is a theory based on the clinical experience of analytic psychologists. There is an empirical basis for it, and it is falsifiable, so further systematic long term cross-cultural research is possible. But, to date, there isnât a scientific consensus around it.
The idea that consciousness is merely individual and unique leads to solipsism. The boundaries of consciousness are imaginations in consciousness that you have never reached in experience ever changing as it is. The idea that there is anything outside consciousness is, again, an imagining that you have never and can never experience.
Alrighty then. I donât see another option
What is the point of continuing to believe that one is a misrepresentation (an illusion) of reality who exists (one needs to exist to claim that one doesnât exist)?
Why continue to try and convince oneself and others that this belief system is reality when one has already acknowledged that it isnât?
We know the physical body exists because it needs to exist to claim that it doesnât exist and we know that it struggles with the concept of reality because machines have no life within them.
The physical body is a binary programmed/processing machine.Nothing more.
What is the point of taking the automated side (the monkey mind/mind chatter) of oneâs make up seriously when it doesnât know anything?
Many scientists claim to be a misrepresentation of reality (an illusion) because they donât understand binary consciousness.
The self stills the âmonkey mindâ (mind chatter-vibration) by balancing attractive and repulsive electromagnetic force interactions, separating oneself from them.Attractive and Repulsive forces have got nothing to do with good and bad.They are merely 2 equal but opposite electromagnetic force absolutes which need to be vibratory balanced (not cancelled) to produce binary code.
This science translates to the psychological by balancing the in and out of the moment consciousness states hence,
in/out (self) in/out.
We are not the in or out of the moment consciousness states which are experienced due to toggling mind movement/engagements which results in a vibrating consciousness state of mind experience.This vibration produces the binary code for the biological machine which ultimately results in mind chatter.
The self controls mind chatter (the monkey mind) by controlling the in and out of the moment consciousness experience or mind movement/engagements.Self needs to control the attractive and repulsive electromagnetic force interactions.
The self needs to still the mind.The self does this by not engaging.
Languages were not chosen randomly â their imposition was directly tied to the level of development of different populations. More complex and nuanced languages were deliberately introduced to societies that were at a lower stage of development, with the goal of accelerating their spiritual and intellectual growth. These languages had the flexibility and depth needed to facilitate the awareness and understanding of the nature of consciousness, thinking, and spirituality.
On the other hand, the English language, with its simplified structure and limited ability to express deep philosophical concepts, was imposed on more advanced cultures. Its purpose was to slow down the development of those who had already reached a certain level of awareness, restricting their capacity for deep analysis and self-reflection. English makes it easier to manipulate the masses, as it does not support the development of true spirituality or mindfulness.
Thus, more complex languages were tools to accelerate the development of backward nations, while the simplified English language was designed to limit the intellectual and spiritual progress of those already on a higher level.
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Re read my previous post demon.
There is no life in the binary processing machine.
You wanted to learn about reality didnât you or are you quite happy with the cognitively biased misinterpreted explanation of it?
A misinterpretation of reality is not a higher level demon.
Consciousness is the library of all the knowledge we possess, the total collection of everything weâve accumulated through experience, perception, and learning. It is the container of awareness, the vast space in which everything we know resides. Itâs not about the process itself, but about the knowledge that has been gathered, the awareness of self and the world around us. In simple terms, consciousness is like the bookcaseâit holds the books (knowledge), the ideas, and the concepts. Itâs the state of being aware of what we know.
On the other hand, thinking (or mindfulness) is the active process that happens within that space. Itâs the motion that moves through the library, itâs the action of taking those books off the shelf, processing them, and interpreting them. Thinking is the way we engage with the knowledge in our consciousness, the way we organize, evaluate, and analyze what we know. Itâs how we interact with the knowledge we have. This is the process that occurs on the field of consciousness, as you aptly put it.
To summarize:
- Consciousness is the library, the collection of all knowledge, experience, and awareness.
- Thinking is the process that moves through that library, actively organizing and refining whatâs there.
Thus, consciousness is not just a state but the totality of knowledge and awareness within us, while thinking is the motion that shapes and organizes that knowledge into something meaningful, something we can use to understand the world and ourselves.
You explanations are wrong Demon.
Awareness and Consciousness are separate things for starters.
You donât even know the basics of the psychological workings,honestly.
The self places both the in and out of the moment consciousness states on both the right and left.
The self isnât consciousness you see.The self is merely aware of these two different consciousness state experiences which it toggles backwards and forwards between (vibration).All of the physical vibrates.
The self stills these consciousness states which are directly related to the biological workings of the physical body.The physical body is designed to balance attractive and repulsive electromagnetic forces so that the binary code can be produced from electromagnetic energy waves for the operating programme of the binary processing machine.
You need to try and unite all of the sciences demon.You are not there yet.You are way off the mark because you have disappeared down a rabbit hole.
Science is a whore on the money of power. As for your snot, a child placed outside of society will not have any âselfâ, but will receive consciousness from nature.
Individuals that claim that they are a misrepresentation of reality (an illusion) donât understand consciousness.These individuals exist because they need to exist to claim that they donât exist.
@Jupiter , Demon
Therefore they can not claim either deductively nor transcendentally whether
they were aware of who they thought they were at the time , and had to know rather than perceive they existed.
They needed to know or intuit that in the first place.
They may or may not choose to exist just to prove they do, but such claim may be over the top.
Way over, that maybe Antichrist/antihero would be willing to concern with
If one claims that one doesnât exist then one is a liar because one needs to exist first to claim anything at all.
The only way that one can exist and not exist is if one doesnât possess life.
One can claim to be a misrepresentation of reality (an illusion) if one wants.Many do because they merely process binary data (electromagnetic energy waves) emitted from vibrating matter which are picked up via the senses.
They donât actually think for themselves.They merely operate automatically like machines.
Stooges need at least a dictionary before writing. Meaninglessly chosen words are the ravings of a gray mare. For example, what is existence in general? How is this determined?
Stupid English, how can you speak it at all? Five times it takes a double (reverse) translation and correcting the simplest sentences to convey at least a little meaning.
Many individuals claim that they are a misrepresentation of reality (an illusion) Demon.Many atheists do for example.We all know that.
Are you claiming otherwise? You are on your own if you are.
Also,we all know that you need to exist to claim that you donât exist so if you claim that you donât exist then you are a liar.
What point are you actually trying to make here?
I am speaking frankly. You do not understand the meaning of the words of men.
I understand the meaning of words Demon.
You have lost the debate because your reasonings simply do not add up.
For all to see.
You do not understand the words of men. Define what or who a Demon is.
You are immaterial Demon who claims untruths.You have been found out.
Philosophy and science has moved into the metaphysical now.
An animal that tries to write is a writing animal. The animal is not able to define the words it uses. I will write even more clearly. Stop mooing - itâs ridiculous.