Isn’t amazing the number of rapes and sex scandals that goes on in the modern era? (Especially in industrialized nations.)
Could it be that in modern industrial nations which calls themselves civil are in a ongoing state of deeply suppressed sexual emotions?
I have no sympathy or pity for these modern societies complaining about there being perverse individuals running about as such events are only a consequence of an enviroment that deeply suppresses sexual emotions.
We truely live in a world where instincts are suppressed to the fullest and where men are called blasphemous heretics for embracing them.
Which brings up an interesting point. One of the critical elements of feminist psychology is that rape is not about sex, it is about power. Of course, that isn’t entirely true. Rape represents a means for inferior males to procreate beyond their social standing. As one falls lower and lower in the social strata, one’s availability of (desirable) mates drops off considerably. So what is an ambitious loser to do? Rape is, of course, the answer. But, of course, this is coming from me, someone who views issues of sexuality and of power as being the same thing, so I am coming at it from an admittedly biased angle. Given this perspective, it makes sense that rape ought be suppressed, you can’t have individuals procreating beyond their worth.
The act of sex itself is about power, so what? I am very well versed in the humanistic defamations of rape.
Domination is just one of the sensual emotions one can find in the act of sex which isn’t reduced just to the act of rape alone infact you can find it in casual sex too.
Of course my stance is that rape is natural and a viable part of evolution.
How do you account for people in powerful social standings in the act of rape?
Defame rape all you want with terms of inferiority or what is considered morally wrong ( both being absurd dualisms) but in the end you will only sound that much more ridiculous.
This right here is a good example of how sex like anything else has become a marketable item where the fiction of market worth makes slaves of us all.
What does worth mean? Why should one be concerned with worth? Where does worth come from?
Can’t? Here we see moral dictums of right and wrong? I can do anything I want.
Can’t is a word that I rarely use in my vocabulary.
Also even though rape is one of the things in this thread I wanted this thread to be more about the topic of sexual deprivation and suppression in modernized industrial nations.
Example: Why are modernized industrial nations proned to the suppression of sexual emotions?
I hope this thread will not get too off topic as my intent was not to just talk about rape by itself.
( I already have two threads which discusses rape by itself.)
You’ll note I initially disagreed with the assertion.
You’ll note this sort of thing rarely happens. The powerful don’t need to. Now, since the powerful have access across all strata, occasionally a lower female will cry rape to try and gain notoriety, but again, this is the exception not the rule.
Unsupported assertion.
You’ll note I’m not a capitalist, so I gotta ask what you are trying to say . . .
Worth is the value that someone (generally someones) other than the object in question decide that the object has. We should be concerned with it because it has a strong effect on how we live our lives. It is assigned by “the other”, generally a group but it can be an “other” as small as an individual.
Riiiiiiiight. That is why you appeal to slave morality as soon as the strong start applying that strength on you. Pathetic.
How do you account for the times when it does happen Xunzian?
Also I don’t believe these circumstances are rare just because you say they are. You don’t have any evidence in acclaiming that it is extremely rare.
Your assertions are too. We can do this all day.
Only that the market and your capitalism guided by fancies of reason has made a iron cage out of all life reducing all emotions or physical gestures to marketable commodities.
People are not objects. What one man gives abstractly to another as worth be damned.
I guess this is your sad attempt at pretending to know me on a one on one basis.
Actually if you must know if someone threatens me I appeal to them with a fist first and secondly with a gun or knife.
Please don’t assume things because that is how people make asses out of themselves.
Just a little heads up for you Xunzian for the dignity of our conversation and because I am enjoying this conversing exchange between ourselves.
Also Xunzian did you read my latest post? :
I didn’t want this thread to just be about rape by itself.
Well, you are the one making a positive assertion here, go for it.
Again, you are making the positive assertion here.
I haven’t asserted anything.
See earlier.
And that is where you are wrong.
I’ve seen what you’ve posted, and it has been pure slave morality.
And lose, evidently.
Only goin’ by what you’ve said here on ILP.
Always a pleasure.
Sure.
Meh, I think you are mistaken that they do. There is plenty of venues for sexual expression in present society, always has been. Heck, look at how prostitution flourished in Victorian England!
I would say that if a man of powerful social standing practices rape then it is indeed natural for all classes of men and therefore there is nothing inferior about rape at all.
Whether a man on top or the man on low practices rape is irrelevant.
Hey your the one that said it was rare without evidence or support.
I am merely expressing my stance on your position.
Oh really?
See what?
Do tell me how wrong I am. I can’t wait.
Explain.
Lose what?
Not quite the indepth answer I was looking for. No surprise.
and as far as sex being a big hot taboo topic for kids and what not. it shouldnt be. kids should know thay theyshould wait for sex, and that abusing sex leads to misfortune like the abuse of all things.
respect is something of a shadow figure in our society (im sad to say)
In regards to rape, if its only sex you are looking for then there are plenty of ways to get that without rape. Rape suggests to me, that a person wants sex with that particular person regardless of whether they want to or not. The question is why? As already suggested I think it is to display power, domination, control. If it were purely about sexual gratification, then a person could hire a prostitute. The need to display power most likely comes from lack of it in other aspects of life, a large proportion of rapists are losers, social outcasts. Of course we can’t generalise, but it would be impossible to look at every individual case. When the higher up in society indulge in rape, I suggest that is generally because they have had their power limited, by someone say no, and can’t/wont accept this. Again its about power, but similarly we can’t generalise.
About sex in society, I think there is strong evidence that the view sex is wrong is changing. The media use sex almost everywhere. STD’s are on the rise suggesting people are not listening to the moral police trying to outlaw sex. One night stands, teenage pregnancies, abortions, none of these carry the same stigma as years gone by. So I must admit I’m slightly confused by your original claim, because I see sex everywhere. Do you mean that rape and other sex scandals are the consequence of not being able to have sex with anyone, regardless of their consent?
I haven’t gone more than a few days without sex in as long as I can remember. And even with all the pot smoking, I can remember back for a long time so…yeah i dunno.
As a woman, maybe I can bring a different light on the matter. Who knows.
I have a friend who was raped a few years ago, by a stranger - three times, whilst threatening to kill her. She’s not been the same since. She was unfortunately drunk after a night out, women need to take care of themselves and make sure they do not put themselves in harms way. Thats not to say that it excuses the rape - it doesn’t, but its stupid to put yourself out there in a situation which is dangerous.
I personally think that religion as well as society has a big influence on teh depravity of sex today. You don’t find extreme fetishes or perversions in primitive cultures where sex is normal and humans live in groups and often sleep in the same houses - and I do believe they don’t even have prostitutes in cultures like that. Its not thought of as embarassing or dirty or something to be hidden from the kids.
If we had no religion and if we taught children from an early age that sex was normal and healthy (from puberty onwards it is normal and healthy), and to respect their bodies, then I think we would have less trouble.
Why does modern ‘civilized’ man need to dress in a nappy and be a baby? Why does he have to ball gag himself or auto erotically asphyxiate himself? Why does he have to shit on someone, or make someone eat his shit? Why do people have to piss on each other? The further from nature and the natural we go, the more depraved and perverted we become. There has to be a correlation there.
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Strangely, I totally agree with this. It makes too much sense.