In 1865 America outlawed slavery as a philosophical pejorative.
…so why are you wearing clothing that was made by slaves?
Why do YOU support slave labor?
Greed?
My thesis for this thread: If you were to be found dead in the near future without any identification, your views would not be immediately apparent. If you were wearing cloths at the time of your death, your clothing would tell a lot about you; about your philosophy. You’ll want to look your best. At least you’ll want to show your true self.[/size]
While I am able to go to the mall and see a food court, a clothing section, electronic departments, etc… I have not found the “ethical” section. Clothing has labels such as “Made in China”, “Wash in hot water” and the like, but no labels saying “Made with child labor”, “Made by slaves”, or even “Made by highly paid, well cared for adults”.
Unless I buy fabric (or better yet, weave it in my own loom), and take it to a local tailor to be converted into wearable garments, I have no way of discerning what the working conditions of my clothiers are. I’m sure you can find companies that SAY their clothes are made by reputable means, but unless you go to their factory to verify those claims, how can you know for sure?
now we know, now we know, oh yeah we know now. I don’t know what they know or why they know it now, but it’s just magically funny, probably because it’s the only joke in history that has no punchline. Clever stuff.
No it isn’t it’s an exposé of what we know when we don’t know we know we now know.
If I were to die wearing what I normally wear, my clothing would be US brands. Where my Levis, underwear, sweat shirts, shoes, socks, etc., were manufactured is a different story. US brands are no longer manufactured in the US, but exactly where they’re made could be one of any number of underdeveloped countries. The basis for globalization was supposed to be to raise global development and equalize global wages.
The thing is, as I understand it, the laws of the individual countries govern the working conditions, for the most part, rather than Calvin Klein, or Levi Strauss. Those corps often don’t know themselves which manufacturer will be making the products.
Is it possible to “Buy American” any longer? The US is no longer much of a manufacturing country; we’re a consumer/service country. Consumers, of course, don’t benefit from lower manufacturing costs–we still pay by brand name, no matter what.
Do you honestly think stopping the demand is actually going to help the Chinese workers?
They work in those conditions because they have no alternatives.
It’s great how you call on others to change, not because of any concern for the welfare of others, but concern that your corpse wont reflect your ‘ideals’.
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Let me clarify my position and at the same time address an excellent question.
Here is part of what I am stating within this thread.
The demand for clothing cannot be stopped and should not be stopped.
What should be stopped and can be stopped is the inhuman treatment that is perpetuated upon either Chinese workers or any other worker in the world that is not protected by the inherent good of Organized Labor.
There is a holy trilogy of labor, capital, and material/objects that exists within the inherent good of the concepts and contracts of today’s modern Organized Labor.
That inherent good is what should be and can be perpetuated. By you. By us. If we choose to.
Thank you for allowing me to address an important aspect of this thread.[/size]
Bill I buy all my shit Chinese because it’s the only way I can get any money over to that country to help those poor people. So if I see a guy on the side of the road and I only have a few bucks on me, I give him a few bucks. No it doesn’t save him like it would if I could give him 5 grand, but I can’t, so I just do what I can. I figure if we all buy enough stuff, eventually China will have enough money to bring those people up from where they are. It’s only a little, but you gotta chip in and help. Buy Chinese Bill. It’s the humanitarian thing to do.
It hurts all the workers that aren’t in unions. You know that tons of union jobs are totally superfluous. If they paid everyone what they were worth, that would be fair. But when a mob gets together and starts exploiting the labor market through artificial manipulation of supply and demand in labor, they’re doing the same thing the corporations are doing. Shitting on the real little guy. Unions aren’t the little guy Bill.
Bill, China has labor unions and the Fortune 500 Corps. are starting to organize in their manufacturing plants in China. Even Wal-Mart, which doesn’t allow unions in the US is allowing unions in its stores in China. The All-China Federation of Trade Unions, est. 1925, works to establish laws and policies concerning workers rights. The ‘problem’ in China is not only the Communist Government, but also, the structure of the unions themselves. We think of unions as a group of workers elected to represent all the workers in a particular occupation or plant. In China, unions have middle-management on their boards–so unions end up working with management in order to meet management goals.
As I mentioned earlier, working conditions are controlled by the governments of the various manufacturing countries, just as is true here under OSHA and the safety controls established by other Federal agencies. It would be great if the corps themselves could/would establish basic safety rules, but then they’d be responsible for enforcing those rules. But they have no enforcement rights and China doesn’t even enforce the few rules its government has.
You can tell from all his completely irrelevant gifs that he posts that this is all a joke to him.
I don’t think he believes what he says, this forum is just 4chan to him.
