# What a wise man would do
**URL:** https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774
**Category:** Religion and Spirituality
**Created:** [August 15, 2016, 2:08am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774 "2016-08-15T02:08:50Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Tab](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Tab)
#### Post date: [August 16, 2016, 1:23pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/41 "2016-08-16T13:23:00Z")
> [@phyllo](#):
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> > Are you calling that somehow ‘more’ real…?
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> Where did I suggest that idea??
Right here:
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> There is stuff.
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> And then there are thoughts about stuff. And then talk about stuff.
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> Many people believe that the thoughts and talk are the real stuff.
By making a distinction between thoughts and talk and “real stuff”. By “many people believe” you imply there is an alternate.
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### Author:  [@Tab](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Tab)
#### Post date: [August 16, 2016, 1:29pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/42 "2016-08-16T13:29:30Z")
> [@phyllo](#):
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> > And, how can he/she conclude alone, “I am wise” anyway.
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> You can contemplate your navel and come to the conclusion that you are wise.
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> > For someone to be wise, there has to be some drooling doofus somewhere around to provide contrast.
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> There is always a model in your head of another person, of the rest of humanity. So it’s easy to do a comparison when there is nobody around.
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> And everyone was had contact with other people from birth. Therefore everyone has that model.
Sure, but if you go live in a cave for X years, how do you know your model isn’t out of date…? That humanity didn’t suddenly get smarter.
The reclusive Wiseman, is a Wiseman without hope. He shuts himself away, having come to the conclusion that other people are dumb, and will always remain dumb. And that somehow perhaps, simply being in the presence of dumb will dilute his wisdom. Vanity is never wise I think, nor is an unwillingness to get your hands dirty.
Hopeful Wiseman stays within society, and fights dumb.
The dumb lack the ability to grasp wisdom let’s say. The wise though, who lack the ability to render their wisdom into a format that the dumb can comprehend, are not quite wise enough.
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### Author:  [@Ultimate\_Philosophy](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ultimate_Philosophy)
#### Post date: [August 16, 2016, 1:36pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/43 "2016-08-16T13:36:09Z")
> [@Tab](#):
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> > [@phyllo](#):
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> > > And, how can he/she conclude alone, “I am wise” anyway.
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> > You can contemplate your navel and come to the conclusion that you are wise.
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> > > For someone to be wise, there has to be some drooling doofus somewhere around to provide contrast.
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> > There is always a model in your head of another person, of the rest of humanity. So it’s easy to do a comparison when there is nobody around.
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> > And everyone was had contact with other people from birth. Therefore everyone has that model.
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> Sure, but if you go live in a cave for X years, how do you know your model isn’t out of date…? That humanity didn’t suddenly get smarter.
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> The reclusive Wiseman, is a Wiseman without hope. He shuts himself away, having come to the conclusion that other people are dumb, and will always remain dumb. And that somehow perhaps, simply being in the presence of dumb will dilute his wisdom. Vanity is never wise I think, nor is an unwillingness to get your hands dirty.
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> Hopeful Wiseman stays within society, and fights dumb.
They try to, but once they do, they just get shut out and ignored.
It’s like, handing an eight year old the power to block you, and ignore you, and whenever she hears something she doesn’t like she throws a hissy fit and pushes the I DONT WANT TO HEAR IT button.
Rational communication, from that point on, is continuously denied. Like some tragic romantic movie with a stuck up bitch who refuses to listen to the voice of reason.
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### Author:  [@phyllo](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/phyllo)
#### Post date: [August 16, 2016, 1:37pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/44 "2016-08-16T13:37:14Z")
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> Sure, but if you go live in a cave for X years, how do you know your model isn’t out of date…? That humanity didn’t suddenly get smarter.
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> The reclusive Wiseman, is a Wiseman without hope. He shuts himself away, having come to the conclusion that other people are dumb, and will always remain dumb. And that somehow perhaps, simply being in the presence of dumb will dilute his wisdom. Vanity is never wise I think, nor is an unwillingness to get your hands dirty.
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> Hopeful Wiseman stays within society, and fights dumb.
I must have lost the ability to communicate because you seem to think that I disagree with your statements. I’m the one who first said that a wise man is engaged and not reclusive.
Yeah, the model is not the reality. The model needs constant feedback to remain synchronized with the reality.
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### Author:  [@Tab](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Tab)
#### Post date: [August 16, 2016, 1:39pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/45 "2016-08-16T13:39:40Z")
@phyllo, Nah, my fault, didn’t read some bits of the first page. 😃
What about models of things not yet rendered into external ‘realities’. How real are they…?
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### Author:  [@Tab](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Tab)
#### Post date: [August 16, 2016, 1:46pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/46 "2016-08-16T13:46:40Z")
@philosophy 1001
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> They try to, but once they do, they just get shut out and ignored.
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> It’s like, handing an eight year old the power to block you, and ignore you, and whenever she hears something she doesn’t like she throws a hissy fit and pushes the I DONT WANT TO HEAR IT button.
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> Rational communication, from that point on, is continuously denied. Like some tragic romantic movie with a stuck up bitch who refuses to listen to the voice of reason
That’s a failure of the voice of reason though. Reason must find a medium of transmission that is impossible to be ignored, and impossible to disregard. Though I admit, the line between that, and brainwashing is probably a fine one. 😃
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### Author:  [@Ultimate\_Philosophy](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ultimate_Philosophy)
#### Post date: [August 16, 2016, 1:52pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/47 "2016-08-16T13:52:29Z")
> [@Tab](#):
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> @philosophy 1001
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> > They try to, but once they do, they just get shut out and ignored.
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> > It’s like, handing an eight year old the power to block you, and ignore you, and whenever she hears something she doesn’t like she throws a hissy fit and pushes the I DONT WANT TO HEAR IT button.
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> > Rational communication, from that point on, is continuously denied. Like some tragic romantic movie with a stuck up bitch who refuses to listen to the voice of reason
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> That’s a failure of the voice of reason though. Reason must find a medium of transmission that is impossible to be ignored, and impossible to disregard. Though I admit, the line between that, and brainwashing is probably a fine one. 😃
These days, everything has a block button.
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### Author:  [@Tab](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Tab)
#### Post date: [August 16, 2016, 1:57pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/48 "2016-08-16T13:57:51Z")
The trick then would be to convince them that pressing it would never be a worthwhile option. Even eight year olds have imperatives. Cake related perhaps, but still. Anyway, why are we trying to make wise eight year olds…? 😃
PG13 at least, for the wisdom movie.
The easiest way to create a society of the wise, is to reward wisdom.
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### Author:  [@Ultimate\_Philosophy](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ultimate_Philosophy)
#### Post date: [August 16, 2016, 2:02pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/49 "2016-08-16T14:02:36Z")
Well, I think it depends on the eight year old, if one has a slightly larger brain than most of the other eight year olds, and convinced themselves that by hurting you they are helping you, it becomes an increasingly difficult affair.
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### Author:  [@Ierrellus](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ierrellus)
#### Post date: [August 16, 2016, 2:56pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/50 "2016-08-16T14:56:00Z")
I’d say a wise man knows when to intervene in affairs of others and when not to.
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### Author:  [@One\_Liner](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/One_Liner)
#### Post date: [August 16, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/51 "2016-08-16T19:21:40Z")
I wise man doesn’t make 1+1=3
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### Author:  [@Ierrellus](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ierrellus)
#### Post date: [August 17, 2016, 11:54am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/52 "2016-08-17T11:54:04Z")
> [@One Liner](#):
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> I wise man doesn’t make 1+1=3
❓ What does this mean? A fool might not make 1+1=3 either. We are all wise in some things and foolish in others. Do you see the opposite of wise as dumb?
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### Author:  [@One\_Liner](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/One_Liner)
#### Post date: [August 17, 2016, 12:02pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/53 "2016-08-17T12:02:52Z")
> [@Ierrellus](#):
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> > I wise man doesn’t make 1+1=3
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> ❓ What does this mean? A fool might not make 1+1=3 either. We are all wise in some things and foolish in others. Do you see the opposite of wise as dumb?
It means this…
> [@Ierrellus](#):
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> I’d say a wise man knows when to intervene in affairs of others and when not to.
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### Author:  [@Ierrellus](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ierrellus)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2016, 1:44pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/54 "2016-08-20T13:44:37Z")
Is the opposite of wise foolishness or ignorance? Ignorance is remedial. Is foolishness?
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### Author:  [@One\_Liner](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/One_Liner)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2016, 8:06pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/55 "2016-08-20T20:06:30Z")
Ignorance of some things results in wisdom whereas ignorance of other things results in foolishness.
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### Author:  [@phyllo](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/phyllo)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2016, 8:10pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/56 "2016-08-20T20:10:19Z")
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> Ignorance of some things results in wisdom …
What are those things?
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### Author:  [@One\_Liner](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/One_Liner)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2016, 8:18pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/57 "2016-08-20T20:18:47Z")
> [@phyllo](#):
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> > Ignorance of some things results in wisdom …
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> What are those things?
Ignorance of the desire to rape a woman creates wisdom within me.
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### Author:  [@phyllo](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/phyllo)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2016, 8:27pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/58 "2016-08-20T20:27:07Z")
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> Ignorance of the desire to rape a woman creates wisdom within me.
I would say that this example does not show an ignorance of things which results in wisdom. “Ignorance of a desire” is stretching the meaning of ‘ignorance’. And it doesn’t produce wisdom.
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### Author:  [@One\_Liner](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/One_Liner)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2016, 8:47pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/59 "2016-08-20T20:47:51Z")
What then is your un-stretched definition of ignorance?
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### Author:  [@Arminius](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Arminius)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2016, 9:00pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/60 "2016-08-20T21:00:22Z")
> [@Dan~](#):
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> Long before technology, the best idea a wise man could have would be to retire from the world. He would realize imposing human will on reality and the planet earth interferes with its perfection. Earth without humans would be better not worse.
There would be nobody for noticing the “better Earth”, for having the thought “oh, what a better Earth this is”.
> [@Dan~](#):
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> Today people are the opposite, AND they have technology, which changes everything.
Yes, that all is bad, but what should the humans do according to you?
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