# What a wise man would do
**URL:** https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774
**Category:** Religion and Spirituality
**Created:** [August 15, 2016, 2:08am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774 "2016-08-15T02:08:50Z")
**Posts on this page:** 18
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### Author:  [@phyllo](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/phyllo)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2016, 9:01pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/61 "2016-08-20T21:01:50Z")
Ignorance:
- Lack of knowledge, information, or education
or
- The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed
[thefreedictionary.com/ignorance](http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ignorance)
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### Author:  [@One\_Liner](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/One_Liner)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2016, 9:05pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/62 "2016-08-20T21:05:17Z")
Do you consider desire to be an object of awareness; a “knowable” object to consciousness?
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### Author:  [@phyllo](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/phyllo)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2016, 9:09pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/63 "2016-08-20T21:09:53Z")
I’m not interested in playing word games.
I thought that you had some insight into wisdom so I asked you for an example.
Nuff said.
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### Author:  [@Dan1](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Dan1)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2016, 9:10pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/64 "2016-08-20T21:10:30Z")
> [@Arminius](#):
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> Yes, that all is bad, but what should the humans do according to you?
The humans should stop reproducing, ideally.
Or, they could change, so that they are less evil.
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### Author:  [@One\_Liner](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/One_Liner)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2016, 9:17pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/65 "2016-08-20T21:17:43Z")
Phyllo, there are no word games being played but instead there is a search for insight.
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### Author:  [@Arminius](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Arminius)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2016, 9:23pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/66 "2016-08-20T21:23:06Z")
> [@Dan~](#):
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> > [@Arminius](#):
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> > Yes, that all is bad, but what should the humans do according to you?
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> The humans should stop reproducing, ideally.
> Or, they could change, so that they are less evil.
Humans can only be humans.
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### Author:  [@Dan1](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Dan1)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2016, 9:28pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/67 "2016-08-20T21:28:32Z")
> [@Arminius](#):
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> Humans can only be humans.
And how does that effect everything?
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### Author:  [@Arminius](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Arminius)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2016, 9:33pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/68 "2016-08-20T21:33:25Z")
> [@Dan~](#):
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> > [@Arminius](#):
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> > Humans can only be humans.
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> And how does that effect everything?
I do not understand what you mean by your question, Dan. Humans are not really capable of being dogs (for example).
I remind you of my thread: “[Will machines completely replace all human beings?](http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=185562)”.
Will that be a solution?
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### Author:  [@Dan1](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Dan1)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2016, 9:47pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/69 "2016-08-20T21:47:04Z")
> [@Arminius](#):
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> I do not understand what you mean by your question, Dan.
If we can’t change, then there is no use trying to change.
Human limits can be stretched.
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### Author:  [@phyllo](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/phyllo)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2016, 9:52pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/70 "2016-08-20T21:52:30Z")
> [@](#):
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> Or, they could change, so that they are less evil.
Humans are not evil. Some humans are evil sometimes.
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### Author:  [@Arminius](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Arminius)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2016, 9:54pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/71 "2016-08-20T21:54:36Z")
> [@Dan~](#):
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> > [@Arminius](#):
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> > I do not understand what you mean by your question, Dan.
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> If we can’t change, then there is no use trying to change.
> Human limits can be stretched.
In what way do you want to stretch them?
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### Author:  [@Dan1](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Dan1)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2016, 9:56pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/72 "2016-08-20T21:56:43Z")
> [@phyllo](#):
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> > [@](#):
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> > Or, they could change, so that they are less evil.
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> Humans are not evil. Some humans are evil sometimes.
The lower your standards go, the nicer and greater humans seem.
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### Author:  [@Dan1](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Dan1)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2016, 9:57pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/73 "2016-08-20T21:57:54Z")
> [@Arminius](#):
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> > [@Dan~](#):
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> > Human limits can be stretched.
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> In what way do you want to stretch them?
Mostly in the field of morality and medicine.
But that is not the point of the thread.
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### Author:  [@phyllo](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/phyllo)
#### Post date: [August 20, 2016, 10:04pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/74 "2016-08-20T22:04:43Z")
> [@Dan~](#):
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> > [@phyllo](#):
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> > > [@](#):
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> > > Or, they could change, so that they are less evil.
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> > Humans are not evil. Some humans are evil sometimes.
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> The lower your standards go, the nicer and greater humans seem.
The only person that you control is yourself. Therefore, it makes sense to apply standards to only your own conduct. If you expect people to conform to your standard, then you may well be disappointed.
That said, the conduct of the majority of humans cannot reasonably be called evil.
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### Author:  [@Ierrellus](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ierrellus)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2016, 11:50am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/75 "2016-08-21T11:50:46Z")
We control our children until the reach a certain age of accountability, at which they are expected to control themselves. Control of others could be the province of parents, ministers, teachers, bosses, even of the internet.
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### Author:  [@Arminius](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Arminius)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2016, 11:00pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/76 "2016-08-21T23:00:28Z")
> [@Dan~](#):
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> Mostly in the field of morality and medicine.
History has shown that all so-called „human rights“ have almost always been hidden rationales and hidden justifications for exploitation everything and everyone the exploiters want to exploit.
The more rhetoric laws amd rhetoric rights the humans invent the more human they are. This is meant in a negative and a positive way, but the negative one prevails the positive one the more the more laws or rights are invented. At least, this is the case in modernity. So, if we use your way of morality, we have merely two small „chances“ (it is questionable whether they are chances or not): (1) we stop inventing rhetoric laws and rhetoric rights, (2) we stop modernity.
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### Author:  [@Ierrellus](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ierrellus)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2016, 2:02pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/77 "2016-08-24T14:02:37Z")
> [@Arminius](#):
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> > [@Dan~](#):
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> > Mostly in the field of morality and medicine.
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> History has shown that all so-called „human rights“ have almost always been hidden rationales and hidden justifications for exploitation everything and everyone the exploiters want to exploit.
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> The more rhetoric laws amd rhetoric rights the humans invent the more human they are. This is meant in a negative and a positive way, but the negative one prevails the positive one the more the more laws or rights are invented. At least, this is the case in modernity. So, if we use your way of morality, we have merely two small „chances“ (it is questionable whether they are chances or not): (1) we stop inventing rhetoric laws and rhetoric rights, (2) we stop modernity.
I do not understand the term rhetoric as applied to laws and rights.
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### Author:  [@Arminius](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Arminius)
#### Post date: [August 24, 2016, 3:53pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-a-wise-man-would-do/42774/78 "2016-08-24T15:53:59Z")
> [@Ierrellus](#):
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> > [@Arminius](#):
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> > > [@Dan~](#):
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> > > Mostly in the field of morality and medicine.
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> > History has shown that all so-called „human rights“ have almost always been hidden rationales and hidden justifications for exploitation everything and everyone the exploiters want to exploit.
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> > The more rhetoric laws amd rhetoric rights the humans invent the more human they are. This is meant in a negative and a positive way, but the negative one prevails the positive one the more the more laws or rights are invented. At least, this is the case in modernity. So, if we use your way of morality, we have merely two small „chances“ (it is questionable whether they are chances or not): (1) we stop inventing rhetoric laws and rhetoric rights, (2) we stop modernity.
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> I do not understand the term rhetoric as applied to laws and rights.
I mean that the said laws and rights are full of rhetoric, elocution, thus: speaking technique (it is more or less the same as faking technique).
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