# What came first...
**URL:** https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-came-first/47754
**Category:** Psychology and Mind
**Created:** [April 22, 2021, 12:01am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-came-first/47754 "2021-04-22T00:01:52Z")
**Posts on this page:** 8
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [February 29, 2024, 3:40pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-came-first/47754/141 "2024-02-29T15:40:34Z")
(Skipping stuff refuted by error correction…) (Mutation: Loss of function or existence…) Except for existence is not self-sustaining outside a …
…anywhayz.
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [April 15, 2025, 6:56am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-came-first/47754/142 "2025-04-15T06:56:22Z")
What came first? The act of demonstration, the property the act was demonstrating, or the object/subject that was acting to demonstrate its property?
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [April 15, 2025, 7:02am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-came-first/47754/143 "2025-04-15T07:02:47Z")
> [@Ichthus77](#):
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> What came first, the word or the ability to produce and/or comprehend it?
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> I’m studying cognitive processes so they say we’re hard wired to do language … written/read included … as evidenced by double dissociation revealed in damaged brain studies.
> [@“Euthyphro”-type Dilemma of Language Ability and Learning](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/euthyphro-type-dilemma-of-language-ability-and-learning/80148):
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> I want to keep this as short, sweet, and simple as I can, so here’s the Euthyphro-type dilemma up front… but we will return to it below: Does what is encoded (the pious/good) get our attention, or is it that what we attend to (the loved/valued) gets encoded? This very condensed post basically shows we are hardwired for language/signal ability and learning in an irreducibly complex and very specified way. I inferred it from what I gleaned from chapter 9, Language, from Radvansky and Ashcraft’s “C…
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [May 4, 2025, 11:35am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-came-first/47754/144 "2025-05-04T11:35:56Z")
What came first… the body… its actions… or its objectives?
How did objectives precede body/action if, in order to function, there need be a being and acting? How did being precede the acting/objectives if, in order to be, there must be active function? How did acting precede being/objective if, action needs functional being?
Posted twice elsewhere on the board.
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [July 1, 2025, 9:18pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-came-first/47754/145 "2025-07-01T21:18:31Z")
What came first? The word, its meaning, or the speech act?
Greeks and Jews:
_Logos._
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2025, 3:48pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-came-first/47754/146 "2025-10-29T15:48:54Z")
> [@Drive-By Sermon: If You Are Saved...Christ Is Your "Brain"](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/drive-by-sermon-if-you-are-saved-christ-is-your-brain/83950/63):
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> What came first (what is ontologically prior substance?), the category (ontology) or its members/examples (existantiation/action)? If we do not allow for an empty category (we must always ask “What referent populates this category?”), or for a category-less member/example (we must always ask, “What category is this populating?”) the answer has to be both, and the category is “merely” essential (to the observer) “until” it is both (actually, all three: category/substance, member/example/action, e…
See also:
> [@“Euthyphro”-type Dilemma of Language Ability and Learning](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/euthyphro-type-dilemma-of-language-ability-and-learning/80148):
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> I want to keep this as short, sweet, and simple as I can, so here’s the Euthyphro-type dilemma up front… but we will return to it below: Does what is encoded (the pious/good) get our attention, or is it that what we attend to (the loved/valued) gets encoded? This very condensed post basically shows we are hardwired for language/signal ability and learning in an irreducibly complex and very specified way. I inferred it from what I gleaned from chapter 9, Language, from Radvansky and Ashcraft’s “C…
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [October 30, 2025, 6:17pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-came-first/47754/147 "2025-10-30T18:17:49Z")
The pure apperception (the enduring I) must be added to pure imagination (prior to its being sensible) in order to trigger its intellectual function that would otherwise lie dormant (Kant, CPR, First Edition, 124).
If that is the case, which original apperception kicked this off to trigger intellectual function for the first time in contingent beings, such as we?
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [June 5, 2026, 2:57pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/what-came-first/47754/148 "2026-06-05T14:57:42Z")
> [@How does nature know?](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/how-does-nature-know/17488/234):
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> Art imitates. All camouflage is art. Be careful what you imitate. You’re implying it’s actually a thing that can be imitated. Plus, if you keep making that face, it’ll stay that way.
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