What Did God Creat This World For?

An experiment, that’s the anwser a couple of religious friends gave me. Fine line. But what’s the purpose of the experiment? For fun? You know, like we have fine watching someone scores and someone screws in films.

First, you are assuming there is a God. Second, What are you looking for when you ask this question? Speculations? No one knows the answer, so thats all you will be acquiring.

Fly On The Wall:

Try to give an anwser; or try not to.

Can you do that for me?

Thanks.

I think you’re assuming it’s an experiment.

(And you’re seeking a deep answer from THIS site?) :slight_smile:

I will if you start a thread worth answering.

But if it is an experiment, why bother? What is God going to do with whatever knowledge he gains from this experiment? Apply it to himself?

And what was God’s hypothesis?

To assume it is an exepriment is illogical. An all-knowing God would know the conclusion of an experiment before he conducted it. Unless he is not all-knowing and thats a whole different topic in itself.

I was being sarcastic…they need a sarcasm font here. Or a tag. :wink:

If he did create this world, he must be laughing his ass off at what we have done with the joint.

Sincerely,

Floyd

Maybe it was part of his evil scheme. Or…maybe we are not an experiment, but one particularly interesting show. After all it has to be boring to float around in a void for so long.

Worlds are destroyed and created everyday. There’s nothing you can do about it. Father Time, something which we seem to have no control over, is ‘A God of Historical Momentum’… Resistance is futile. This earth, with all of it’s creatures, has sway over our existence, and if not appreciated, will surely devour us. You are responsible to act according to the law of the society in which you have been assimilated, or else you risk the pain of intolerance. Make sure you can understand earthly gods before you go about tackling the macrocosmic mysterious, or you’ll end up neck-deep in confusion.

i think what uniqor wants to hear is neither a scoff at the truthfullness of potential responses nor the gloomy gothboy diary entry, but this:

if theres a purpose, then it is not going to be verifiably detectable while we are humans, because then we could figure it out and use that knowledge to take advantage of it. how easy is it to be nice when theres an angry face in the sky shooting a scowl right at you? too easy

ie if we know santa is watching us and hes not going to give us presents if we screw up, we’ll make sure we get those presents, whether or not we really think it matters if we are nice to our little shit sister

so thats how i will continue to believe the cheesy old religious idea of a morality test machine universe. he wants to see if we can choose to be nice, even if the only reason we are being nice is because we know it will make somebody else happy, regardless of its effects on us.

so what about free will? at this point in time, as in all others, its easy for me to believe in, and impossible to rule out the presence of god’s meddling finger just over the technological horizon.

sure if we knew the position of all the particles and their motion at the beginning, its possible to calculate where it all will end up, possibly including the behavior of the particles in my brain at the time when i decided whether or not to bash someone in the head.

the problem is we are unable to know the position of those particles thanks to heisenbergs uncertainty. this sounds to me like an ultimate dead end. i mean we will continue to find out about the nature of the atoms through things like string theory and probing them with ever smaller particles, but we will never know where exactly those strings were at the beginning of the universe, and therefore we can never prove that god didnt zap stuff all around and give our brains the special ability to make decisions based on supernatural unpredictableness, not just particle physics.
BUT he could make it look a whole lot like determinism is a possibility. and determinism is the foundation of atheism; if god wants us to be faced with the possibility of his non-existence (and the ensuing increased difficulty of moral perfection), then he has to allow us to believe determinism is a possibility.

i would say that we are reincarnated in some way. probably not as a human over and over again, and probably not on earth. there are probably planets that look like what wed call Hell and a big angry alien with horns and goat feet is conducting a world wide core-nickel mining operation. it sucks to live there, you only get reincarnated there if you were hitler last life, but youll die eventually.

of course there would also be the utopia planet where robots do everything, the food is always perfect, where everybody is born roughly equal. different enough to allow for good conversation, similar enough that all girls are hot.

so why does god want to separate people into evil and good planets? because the purpose of the universe is to inhabit a body that is able to feel those unexplainably ‘good’ things. why does having sex and good food and laughing make us feel good? god zapped it in, go ahead try to explain them with evolution. another one of those things that make us feel good is knowing that our society is good. it makes me quite angry that earth is full of fuckshits who dont even deserve to breathe for numerous reasons and it would really rule if the earth was just as physically pleasing as it is now, but full of 6 billion me’s instead.

sex = procreation survival of the species.

good food = personal survival

laughing = personal well being.

all important to evolution.

sex w/ contraceptives = good time & no babies

good food ingested slowy and tasted meticulously = good time

For example, French Silk Pie… Wonderful stuff! But related to personal survival? It’s mostly empty calories…

laughing = personal well being (OK)

mostly enjoyable, unneccesary, human activity, beyond survival

What happens when all needs are met? Do we stop there? We go on to something else. Something that is shared by creatures who have their needs met is the pursuit of pleasure. For instance, a pet wanting affection, sports, dolphins having sex for pleasure, me trying to converse with others through this forum, etc… Instead of looking back at how these pursuits (sex, good food, laghing) came about, why don’t we analyze the present.

Everything that has come and gone is a part of this world today, but it is a new world considering how many have died, how many realized they were pregnant, more loss of the rainforest, etc, etc…

As far as an experiment? Maybe we are just experiencing experimental existence. No one has proven to me that this could be so or that it definately could not be so. Why must we pursue these cluttered and ultimately dead-end theories?

Go with what you know.

Right now, our world is turning. The sun is on the opposite side of the Earth where I am. I am warm compared to the 55 degrees Fahrenheit it is outside. I’m wearing pants. I’m slightly hungry. I surrender, yet again, to the unknown. Gravity is holding the biosphere down, along with our constructions. I am breathing. I am living through this amalgamation of symbol and thought.

I guess I’m trying to get at is what these things mean today. They obviously evolved somehow, whether from something incomprehensible or something we might comprehend in the future. I suppose I care not so much for the origins as I do the now, the current, the present, that which is. I figure that my attempts at understanding the origin of existence will be in vain, so I try to release those cares and live in the now. Right now.

Theres enough that is ‘knowable’ in this life to boggle the mind. Maybe we’ve jumped too far ahead in this quest for “truth”.

yes but the reason sex feels good is for procreative purposes your body doesn’t know wether or not those semen reach their target nor does it care.

you could say cows spend an inordinate amount of time eating grass. good times.

ok the fact that we have junk food does not equal god. :stuck_out_tongue:

I thought about this one after I posted it, and am going to expand on it. When you aren’t “in well being” you are more likely to commit suicide, those who commit suicide dont’ last very long. (there are still some, granted.)

no because once we meet a need the desire to meet another need arises.

This is our animal nature. We can rise above it.

well if I’m not mistaken this thread is titled “what did god create us for.” and thus deals with how and why desires work. If you want to talk about the present start a new thread.

only by questioning what we don’t understand can we ever fully grasp that which we do understand.

yes sure if you had a kid who was randomly born with nerves that were able to give him goodness whenever he stuck certain important body parts into important places, then yeah that kid will definetely have more kids than any human ever had before.

the problem is
a) how do you have a kid with a random genetic mutation that produces a whole new nerve signal, localized in one area only when thepreviously acquired “pump love chemicals to crotch” random mutation is in effect. i mean how lucky is that

b)before this genetic mutation occured, having sex would make as much sense, if not less than, jamming your finger into her belly button only when it gets stung by a bee and swells up. if it didnt feel good, and you didnt understand that jizz is actually millions of babies why would you ever do it?

laughter also did not evolve into us. how could you have a kid with a random genetic mutation that causes him to breathe and vocalize in an unheard of way whenever something funny happens. everybody before him would have been like “that is funny” with the volume of that sentence reflecting the level of enthusiasm?

i just cant picture the first instance of an evolutionary step forward when its something bigger and more complicated than new feather shape or longer bones. i cant picture it happening as a random dna jumbling and i cant picture how that first guy would learn how to use it.

it only makes sense to me if god zapped this stuff into us in order to give us a motivation to continue living thats very easy to see and understand

not all that lucky actually, the poor saps who enjoyed sex would be having more sex thus having more “offspring”.

thus why there’s no mammals who don’t orgasm, around anymore.

I don’t know, ask a social anthropologist, or research the topic yourself. It’s more likely to have evolved then some metaphysical figure to come from nothing and “zap” stuff into us.

honestly from the little research I’ve just done right now it looks like laughter is for reproduction as well.

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I started this question, because when I just watched a BBC2 film about medians.

In the film, a guy and his wife, who just lost their 18 years old son in a traffic accident, went to see a median. Afterwards, the camera asked him, does he believed in God. His replied with tears in his eyes: “If God exist, then I’m not very friendly with God at the moment.”

So I wonder, what is the compensation? What can compensate the pain that they have to suffer over the rest of their lives. Eternity in heaven? What’s so fun about that anyway? Better then having their son, seeing him graduatting and getting married and having kids? I don’t think the parents would agree on such a trade anyhow.

so you would say that it is not so extraordinary to imagine a random genetic fetus mutation that changes a specific small part of the body so that you can whack it off like a dick. sure fine and then those who who had this very special first good feeling dick would have tons and tons of sex. yes, then all humans would have the new model. i agree natural selection is huge.
but

why did anybody ever have sex before this guy if it didnt feel good? why do bacteria do it if they dont even know whats happening?

a)how are there still nonmammals
b)did the very first mammal/organism orgasm? and how did anybody learn they ought to do it if they didnt?

id say the first animal that had decision making like ours, whatever that may actually be, they made the decision to have sex based on the fact that it felt good to rub your dick on the girl and the girls like oh hey wait it feels good down here on me too, look this stuff totally fits together, lets try it!

if god zapped that ability in, then i find it easy to believe that the very first animals learned that they had to have sex, if god did not zap it in, then i would say that you and i agree that it would take at least a little while for the randomly mutating fetuses to randomly mutate into having a life shooting, chemically inflating, good feeling machine. and if it took a while, how did they know what to do initially?

all god did was insert the good feeling nerves. seriously, seriously, i mean seriously now, which is simpler? wheres the proof for either? wheres the description of the genesis of evolution?

there is proof for natural selection. i agree natural selection is real and has changed the world always. natural selection does not explain where the original came from, only how it slightly modified over time. so dont bring that up, im talking about the origin.

you say laughter is more likely to have evolved, but theres no explanation for how it evolved. theres no way we can even explain why, through natural selection, a laughing person would get laid more and have more kids so that the mutant fetus spread his genes to our whole laughter filled society.

saying that there is a difference between the way men and women laugh is the same as saying women are emotion slaves and men are not, i fail to see any reference to reproduction

thats the closest i saw in your link to a good explanation of why its there. so i guess the fetus got nailed with just the right gamma radiation that no other animal ever had before.

monkeys dont laugh, if they do, its not the same, and it doesnt have the same good side effect. laughing quickly increases then decreases the pressure put on the heart and the surrounding area, increasing circulation and many other things. therefore this COMPLICATED fetus mutation took place sometime when homo sapiens was localized in africa, after they were monkeys, before they spread out. how many years is that? less than a million? thats some really fast evolution that is probably not recorded in any fossil record

first of all, what god are you talking about? the omnipotent, omniscent god? well, the that god is omnipotent, silly! that’s means he is all knowing, and all powerful. he knows everything, why would he even make something as an experiment, if he knwos the outcome? and are you saying that the fun that our little brains create and experience, is the same god experiences? why would he have such a weak way of having fun like us? what would motivate him to create the world? isn’t he all knowing and all powerful? what could motivate him to do ANYTHING?