Another superficial conversation.
What do men not want?
Another butch lesbo feminist decrying male chauvinism under her own weak victim complex.
( Just putting it out there.)
It looks like we’re on the same page. 
So do you guys have girlfriends?
I have a couple–you?
I think most sensical males support feminism which is basically accecpting that females are equal humans and deserve pretty close to equal rights. (things like women being forced to meet the same physical tests as men for things like fire-fighter and such should be standard, if they are not though)
New-age ‘feminism’ as much of it is called is another beast entirely, the movement has largely hijacked the word ‘feminist’ and ‘feminism’ and yeah, a lot of it is total bullshit insanity.
One book was going on about how science was dominated by ‘male thought’ and how ‘female’ science could be based off of emotional observations/feelings with the same objective value as statistics and etc. No, this is not a joke.
fucking bitches.
We don’t want to pick you up food CONSTANTLY.
Males & females aren’t “equal” though. There are fundamental differences. (One impregnates, the other is pregnant)
What is this new-age feminism? Sounds like tom-foolery to me!
i feel i should say something being a woman myself…
well first off women are not equal to men… not physically at least, thats why there is no draft for women, why one gender can get prego, etc. women just want to be respected and treated equal in the intellectual side…
and 2… i dont know what that womans book is about but just because one woman is crazy all feminist do not have to be grouped together
Why should women be respected intellectually? Was the original purpose of women one of which caused them to defend/hunt outside the social circle?
Women deserve respect where it’s earned–the same applies vice versa.
Why should it matter whether the group is male or female? What happened to judging based on the individual and their own intelligence and merits? It seems silly to make so many generalizations.
Of course nobody is one hundred percent equal, but we need that concept to use as a social tool.
It’s not silly to make generalizations–your “self” was made [male] or [female] by your parents. You were a man or woman before you even knew it…
Kind of freaky huh?
Generalizations often breed ignorance. I find that silly…
And no, it was not made by my parents. It was made by societal standards carried out by my parents. I’m quite content being female, but I don’t think I should be treated condescendingly or any less in any respect because of it ex: salary, job position, classroom behavior from teachers, etc.
And I don’t like the level of respect received from many of the men in this part of the country based off of a handshake. Is there any particular reason I should be a lesser human because I don’t squeeze your hand until it breaks?
That last one was a rhetorical question…I don’t need an explanation of human rituals…I’d rather sit here and laugh at them in semi-frustration.
If you want to control men, then all you need to do is understand our behaviorisms. What is the difference between succeeding and failing this pursuit?
You either eat out of a man’s hand or he eats our of yours. Or risk it all to find a man who you can live with out of mutual respect. Take your pick, but don’t blame anybody but yourself for your misfortunes.
And yet every human is different so generalizing many different behaviorisms to one sex and gender will only bring grief and misunderstanding. And so it has in my personal experiences until I learned to stop ascribing specific characteristics to people based on whether or not they had a penis or a vagina.
But then, I don’t want to control anyone. I want to share life with people or have the ability to tolerate them. I thought that attempt at control over men was generally frowned upon by men themselves and considered feminist in the extreme sense? Or simply female…but then I’m female and don’t want it. I wouldn’t go around telling females how they can gain control over their male counterparts.
This is too black and white. It’s a reciprocal affair I believe.
Now what misfortunes would those be?
Then be controlled.
It is? Enlighten me.
The misfortune that I see would be you believing that you don’t want (female) power, passively letting it go by, and then regretting it later when it came back to hit you in the face. Is it an irony that women who are physically manhandled, unknowingly cheated on, and abused in relationships can’t figure out why these things happen?
It’s not ironic–everything happens for a reason.
I don’t want to be controlled either. Why do you feel it has to be either/or?
You are using the either/or argument again. Eat out of each other’s hands. Or better yet, find a better way to share your life with someone than eating out of their hand. If these are your expectations then I should be the one expecting misfortune for you.
So you’re a believer in fate? This implies some sort of submission to fate’s manipulation on your part. I’m hoping I’m wrong and I hope you’ll correct me if I am.
Please, tell me why you envision this sort of scenario for me? That I would prefer respect and equality as opposed to submission and oppression in my relationship. I believe in balance and the gray areas. Not some world where everything is either black or white and where females are fickle viragos who have nothing to offer but sex and domestic abilities in exchange for some skewed concept of happiness.
I can’t respond so much to your bit on ‘power’ without your definition of that as well. But I feel I’ll be inclined to disagree yet again because it seems to be based off of sex and gender.
Dare I ask what sort of relationship you’re in? Or perhaps it’s best I don’t…
Mine is the only thing that has offered me any happiness in the short time I’ve been on this earth so you might excuse me for finding your prognostications erroneous.
Physical laws (of the universe) are defined around opposing forces. If you do not apply a proper force in your own life, then you risk being forced.
It’s about where you find balance. Personally, I’d prefer to be “master” of my own destiny, which is why I expand my force to extremity.
I don’t understand what you’re implying. I expect you to do whatever it is you do. I will be me. You will be you.
“Fate” and “destiny” are useless terms, the only thing that relates to my life is power and mastery over my self in relation to others, because I am necessarily attracted to the male domains through my spirit.
If you seek my definition of “power”, then it’s more appropriate to be spoken of in other discussion threads. I’d need to devote a lot of time to that.
What else can a woman offer to a man except sex and domestic abilities? Why should she try to offer more than these things?
I am pursuing relations with two women and probably more in the future. I am true to them insofar as they are good to me. I have found that this pleases women the most.
By all means, continue to find my prognostications erroneous. I enjoy it.
It appears that we’re saying the same thing in this case. I strongly believe in balance. I thought what I said last and its implications would suffice in relaying that but I suppose not.
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That you’re saying, as I understand it, that one person or the other has to submit and be controlled. That either I eat out of your hand or you eat out of mine. I don’t believe this to be the case. You yourself admitted to adhering to some sort of balance system which we agree on. Why is it any different here? Or are you saying that only males can be the master of their own lives? In which case why are you giving the suggestions that you do in that some fit my sex and some do not? Ambivalent much?
Hm??
A quick escape.
At some point we are more than male or female. You cross the physical into the mental. At that point there is much more to offer than sex and dinner.
You have found that it pleases those women the most. Not women in general. So you and they are not averse to polyamorism. Others are different.
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This “rebuttal” suggests a tongue more feminine than that belonging to most women in my family. But then ours is a different breed. Perpetually shunned from social circles for it too. Not all women fit your internal idea of them.
Why not? Just because things can be balanced doesn’t mean the forces aren’t in flux. Control is give-and-take; that’s how I determine what relationships between people are “successful”. Those unions empower all participants.
Yes, males are masters (or slaves) of their own lives. I will not claim to know a [female] in the same regard as a [male], because I myself am “male”. Do you want me to tell you what women feel? Why don’t you tell me and relinquish me of my ambivalence? Though, no matter what you say, I am going to focus on your word-content, which is going to contradict my “thoughts” of your “feelings”. Don’t you see the problem?
Even if everything happens for a reason (which I obviously imply), that does not necessarily mean there is a “fate” or “destiny” that I am aware of. This seems like a contradiction, but in fact it’s not. The more reasonable I am, the more I will realize & actualize my supposed fate. However, it is not until I approach absolution that fate appears as absolutely determined or willed. Free-will? The question is inconsequential to my life and thoughts, I live to live, it doesn’t really matter to me whether it is “actually” determined or willed. I’m going to interact with forces I cannot completely comprehend regardless of my metaphysical beliefs.
Not at all. Start a discussion with me in a thread or PM if you want me to talk with you about “power”. It would not be a short conversation…
Oh really? This is news to me–do you care to explain? When does a male become female; when does a female become male? Where is the point that there is more to offer one another than sex and dinner?
Prove it. Prove to me that a [female] is not a [female]. Tell me that I’m clueless about women and then show me why.
Clever retort–you are practiced in subtleties–so am I.
Prove to me that the world does not fit my ideal. I’ve been waiting a long time for it. Satyr has bested me before–I hope you are next.