What does it mean to be human? What does it mean to resemble an animal?

empty just saying

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ewww I just realized what you’re doing with that

guhhhh

@Sculptor

For the record, which Bible in particular do you want me to read, and which specific sections? I’m curious.

If you are going to ignore my responses to you, there is not point continuing,

Mind is a mind divided by doubts and capable of holding contradictions. Mind is a mechanism of information processing in biological organisms.
Faith is the instinct of an animal flock. Where one sheep goes, another sheep goes. Are you trying to get a definition from a person who is like an animal? Why? Faith is not capable of reasonable definitions. Faith is a feeling. Feelings are not reason.

SO you are calling Jacob and animal.

Am I also to ignore you for the same reason?

Alhtough all things are motived by “passions” at the root. Calling Faith a feeling is missing the point completely.

Faith in the context here is a strategy for accepting a thing to be so.
Rather than applying logic, reason and evidence, faith is accepting a thing to be so from choice. Whatever appeals the best from prejudiuce and advantage.
It is the means by which acceptance is made without the hard work of thinking.

You’re confusing emotions and feelings. Emotions are reactions ( tactics ) . Feelings are a habit, a response to an emotion. Feelings are a strategy developed by the psyche.

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“Trust” is clearly the sense I meant, I articulated that.
Google gives that as the first definition.

This is nonsense. Faith doesn’t need to be placed in things that are actually proven not to be true, and usually, or at least often enough, isn’t.

Of course faith, even in the religious sense, is compatible with reason. Most religious people walk rational paths, rely on reason all throughout their days to get things done. And not just simple folk: Newton was a puritanical Christian. And not the ambiguous type either, His writings on the existence of God are explicit. He must have taken that on some kind of faith (or intuition?), as he doesn’t seem to have proven it.

THis is utter nonsense.
You’ve not been paying attention.
It iFaith were reason there would be the chance to use a perfectly good word for that..
That word is “reason”.

Faith is belief without evidence—or even in spite of contrary evidence—held not because it is rational, but because it is desired or commanded.

One might say you have faith in your doctor. Largely because you do not have the time or inclination to spend years i study as s/he has. That is a sort of trust in the system. But Faith goes way beyond that.

Mark Twain said: “Faith is believing what you know ain’t so.”
I would say faith is taking as true a thing you cannot know to be true.
Knowledge is the apogee of reason, not faith.

Reaons leads to belief
reason leads to knoweldge.
They are not on the same page.

I’m still waiting for any quote from Niettzsche - oh a relevant one from Hume for thar matter

Google is inaccurate. Try writing the antonyms of the so-called “synonyms of faith” – it will become funny. Also, faith doesn’t really have an antonym. The antonym of faith is its absence. Spirituality is just made-up nonsense created by the clergy (servants of the cult) to elevate themselves above the so-called “less spiritual” and to rob and exploit them. Faith is always a lie. After all, it is the enemy of both reason and knowledge. And even the lie itself, without faith, is simply impossible. Faith is fundamentally incompatible with reason. Faith excludes reason. And reason can easily do without faith, replacing it with assumptions.

As for Christians – they not only don’t believe in God, they categorically hate Him. After all, they worship an idol (the dead Jew). And God is portrayed as an idiot in the Bible. First, He’s unclear why He created humans, then in Eden, Evil lived there, then He didn’t know what would happen with the tree. Then He placed the blame on humans. Simply a fool, not a god.

What does Newton have to do with it and his ridiculous faith? If Newton hadn’t been religious, he would have given much more to the world

Isn’t it more accurate?
Faith is not the desire to know. :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

Who ever said faith is reason?
Try to be more accurate in your representations. Ive had this issue with you in other threads as well.

I pointed out to you that people of faith (in the religious sense) can work with reason very efficiently, gave Newton as an example. Faith, besides being also simply trust, is much more truthfully defined as belief in or reliance on an unknown than as belief in an untruth. Have you disproven the existence of Newtons God? Of course not. You’re being doubly irrational.

Tut, tut.
You are crawing out of this one not too well.

You also said “there’s reason in the faculty of faith”

Which is absurd. Not sure it even qualifies as a faculty. It’s rather an abrogation of any any effortto investigate what is the case.
A faculty is a natural power of the mind—like reason, perception, or memory—that helps us understand reality through evidence and logic.
Faith, when defined as belief without evidence or in spite of it, doesn’t operate like a faculty. Instead, it bypasses and suppresses the actual faculties we use to think critically.

Thomas Huxley defined faith as “the great excuse for believing something when there is no good reason for doing so.”

Faith is what people adhere to Trump with.

There is no essence of the dispute, but there is a limitation of the truth for users. One asserts that the machine moves fast because of the wheels. The other disagrees. If you remove the wheels and put wings instead, the same metal would become faster.

If you rid a person of faith, they will begin to use their reason fully.

Does that mean that they are equal? Do you really think that?
Of course you don’t. But the lie distracts people, you hope, from where you would have to admit to stand corrected.

Faith and reason are enemies. This is the only war that is constantly going on. There is no war between Light and Darkness. But there is a war between Reason and Faith.

Thomas Huxley is a cretin. The truth is a justified lie. It is easy to understand if you compare truth and lies.

Am I to understand that this must count as reason?

I’ll again bring up the example of Newton, which Sculptor knows he must avoid to pretend to make sense.

Admitting mistakes is a possibility of reason. But stubbornness is faith.