What happens if someone who goes to heaven changes their belief after they get to heaven? Or perhaps after they get to heaven, they commit some kind of blasphemous act? Let’s say during their temporal life, they accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, but after they died and went to heaven, they never actually saw Jesus and decided that Jesus must have never existed? Now that they’re in heaven, what would happen?
That depends on who you ask.
Some theologies say that you are screwed.
Others say that you have varying arrays of chances.
The most articulated positive chances that I’ve seen in such an interpretation belongs to the LDS.
It is pretty much the antithesis to Dante’s levels of Hell.
See?
Conversely; Dante’s Hell is more layered than his Heaven.
Haha, I’ve never seen that first illustration before. What a big batch of poppycock ay?!
In regards to the OP, I think these questions are just extra examples of the fallibility of the concept of religion and consequently many ideas of certain theologies.
While I have to ask you to abide by the rules and not belittle any religious belief of any form; even if it seems ridiculous to you; (basically…this helps keep the peace), I do agree that the varying forms of attributes to the claim over specific religious concepts and names does seem to make it a pretty easy case to show the subjective human nature of religion.
Basically, in one extreme of the test, if only one set of theological assertions is allowed to be correct in every possible way, and no other form is allowed to simultaneously be correct; then an extremely small percentage of the worlds population is going to be liberated into heaven after everything is said and done.
There are, for example, only 16 million Southern Baptist adherents in the last report.
If they are the only ones that have everything right, and having everything right is the only way to make it out alive?
Then about 0.23 percent would be good to go and everyone else, the remaining 99.76 percent of the population would be screwed.
The population of Florida was roughly around 18 million in 2007, just for physical presence comparison.
That’s the saved group size; the rest of the world goes to hell.
If that is the measuring stick, then we immediately kind of have to wonder if we’re not looking at a disallowed assertion over reality.
But then again, the problem rears up whereby multiple groups in mass numbers of large populations are making exclusively similar assertions to holding the truth to human species preservation for all of time.
Is it really too odd to see humans asserting that they know how to preserve humans for eternity?
I mean, we’re asserting that we know how to figure out how to preserve humans for indefinite preservative methods now with cryogenics.
If that were to ever accomplish it’s ambition, and our capacity to introduce the mind to interior virtual experiences equally continues, then it’s almost as if we see two sets of humans attempting to offer the same thing in only slightly differing methods.
It seems almost expectedly natural (and I disagree with you Fuse, btw) that humans would be religious and understand a definition of a divine construct.
Why wouldn’t there?
Humans need to find a way to beat death for fuck’s sake.
They have to want to live.
It’s not like there’s a religion out there that commonly considers the religious approach to existence is to focus on the idea that THIS IS IT FOLKS!
OK, there kind of are a couple…sort of…but that’s debatable…however, there’s no one barking that world wide as a religious assertion to gain adherents.
Everyone sees the answer to preservation slightly differently.
The Asian religions, not universally but famously, prefer to approach the acceptance of temporal ownership of life by understanding it as nothing that is owned at all.
Other dominant formats of Asia, specifically in the South Asia - such as India, approach the issue by reintroducing humans back into life on Earth in cycle until spiritual momentum is generated highly enough to launch the human soul from the Earth and into the ethereal cosmos in perfect form.
Some African concepts are rather varying, but are heavily more western now-a-days and bring in traditional African elements and meanings.
Western, well, it’s the same shit we’re always talking about. It’s the group that attributes dominantly to the obstacle plan of death by asserting that we transform death into life that we can never lose again by being in line with the moral purity and being worthy of making a future for mankind.
Hell, the Bible (one of the largest Western forms of religious extraction) ends on the note that humans that are deemed worthy of existing in the future of humanity for all of eternity will be granted a new Earth on which to repopulate and not fuck up.
Fuck, if we believe in evolution at all, shouldn’t we expect religion by consequence of the rules of evolution?
Answering the OP question about Jesus would be just making up stories. We don’t know enough about the afterlife to say anything intelligent. There is a belief in an afterlife.
It’s probably safe to say that the afterlife is not going to be exactly as it has been imagined. When you get there, you will adapt to the new information and circumstances.
I expect that heaven could get rather boring after a while. Then you might want to cuss or make a ruckus just to shake things up. If you got kicked out or managed to get the hell out on your own, you could then have a lot of fun finding a new and better heaven.
Isn’t it part of the definition of heaven that it involves a state of permanent bliss?
They wouldn’t be in heaven. Heaven is already ‘being there’ at least in that moment. Until the next moment.
And fallen angels are wonderful. And they truly make a heaven on earth at times.
What do you mean by “permanent bliss”?
Do you think we have free will when we are in heaven?
I don’t believe in heaven. But the idea is straightforward. Christians can disagree on free will versus predestination but still believe in heaven. Permanent bliss means permanent bliss. I don’t understand where your confusion is. People say things like “I’d get bored singing praises all the time”. I don’t understand comments like that. It’s heaven. You wouldn’t get bored. You’d be in a state of permanent bliss. If the argument is ultimately that a state of permanent bliss is impossible, then why not just say so and argue that case?
I’ve always thought that heaven should be like a magazine subscription. You get to try it out for a few years, but then when your sub runs out you can choose to renew or sub to a new magazine. It seems like doing the same thing (whatever it is) every day, where everyday is 400 trillion years, would get a little old.
That’s why it doesn’t exist.
Because the notion of eternal bliss in actuality is defiant of the nature of being human at all.
Yes, those dratted chemicals within our brains always betray us…either not enough or too much.
Perhaps heaven is…not only as I say ‘being there’ but also being perfectly balanced.
Where am I now? 
That’s what I call a broken human.
well, i never said i wasn’t broken. We are all broken, stumps, in some respect we just don’t see it. but what i meant was striving for balance…we can have heaven and bliss and still strive for more balance. Those of us who have in our lives felt quite broken, and i am one of those, may perhaps be more capable of feeling that ‘being there’ - that ‘heaven’ - because we cannot see/know our heights except for having experienced our depths.
…and that is what perfect balance is…
I disagree.
What most refer to as, “broken”, I see as perfectly in nature with being human.
Find me one “non-broken” human.
In every case presented, the individual is now dead and their legend is over glorified - sometimes to the point of divinity; thereby removing their status as human anyway.
So to me, a truly broken human (non-functional as a human) is a human that is not what we call “broken” (referring to conflicted).
If a being is capable of not being conflicted ever, then they are simply not human.
Well, Lucifer was once in Heaven and was cast down to hell for defying God, so I guess anyone could go to hell even after residing in Heaven.
God would know in advance that you were the type of guy to pull some stunt like this, and you’d never get into heaven.
Hmmm…good point Smears. That never occured to me.
Yeah, but can God really punish you for something you haven’t done yet?