what if UR and gLOOM are right?

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when reading UR and gLOOM insane conspiracy theories, I admit
I shake my head, but, but let us give them a benefit of a doubt…
(one they certainly wouldn’t give me) ok, they are right, now what?

there is some large scale, (their covid conspiracy would require
literally millions of people to pull off)…but let us give that to them,
let us give them the conspiracy theory as they have laid it out…

now I will grant them every single thing that they have postulated,
that leaves us/them with a major problem…if the conspiracy is
as they have laid it out, then the answers they have given are woefully
unable to do a dam thing… they offer up, as an answer to the conspiracy theory,
not to wear mask or to get vaccinated…WOW, given the massive scope of
the entire conspiracy theory, that seems to be so, well doing absolutely
nothing to strike at the heart of the conspiracy theory…
their entire answer to how to do battle with an entire worldwide
conspiracy is to not get vaccinated? or not to wear a mask?

that is a really weak answer to what we can do to battle this
well-funded, well directed, worldwide conspiracy… I mean if the
big pharma actually can do what they claim, I see no way to combat that
in any way, shape or form…

the problem with their entire answer to a worldwide conspiracy theory,
is that it treat the symptoms, and not the cause…if you are having massive
internal bleeding and your answer is to put a band-aid on your arm, you are
literally doing nothing to treat the internal bleeding… and UR and gLOOM
are trying to put band-aids on a massive internal bleeding…

so, how exactly does one fight this worldwide, well financed,
globally situation conspiracy theory? I shouldn’t wear my mask…
that answer gives us a new definition of what a pathetic and weak answer
looks like…

Look at their answers and see them for what they are, weak band-aids for
some (according to them) serious problems… they are only offering up
weak band-aids for what ails us…if, if they are actually right about their
being a world-wide conspiracy theory to deprive us of our rights and freedoms…
not wearing a mask or not getting a vaccine seems to me, to be a rather weak
and pathetic answer…

I am hoping for something that isn’t quite as weak and pathetic
as their current solution…what can I do to stop a worldwide,
well-funded attempt to take away my freedoms and rights?

Kropotkin

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Conspiracy is the norm, it’s not just covid, society itself is in large part, but not in whole, a conspiracy.
Class warfare is the rule.
The vast majority of the overclass are either sociopaths without conscience or their conscience is clean for them because their wealth and power make them feel superior, that the masses are subhuman, just as southerners viewed blacks as subhuman or Romans and Greeks viewed their slaves as subhuman.
It’s natural for many or most of the wealthy and powerful to feel this way about the poor and powerless.

Now coupled with that, the vast majority of surplus wealth is concentrated into very few hands.
These few hands through their wealth, bribery, blackmail and other sordid means are able to largely control the heads (or in many cases they themselves are the heads) of all the relevant institutions in government, banking and business.
The rest underneath them are just following orders, they have no clue.
It’s not as hard as you might think for thousands of men to control billions.
A handful of people own as much wealth as the entire bottom half of humanity.
See Blackrock and Vanguard.

Now many leftists will concede this up to a point, they say yea the economy is rigged in their favor, crony capitalism, but big pharma is a part of the economy, but many leftists have been duped into stopping here, they won’t go any further.
Our media and regulatory agencies are demonstrably owned by big pharma, and big pharma itself is a part of the corporatocracy, the corporatocracy largely work together, as they share common interests.

They screw us over to the extent they think we’ll put up with it, the people in the middle and at the bottom, they don’t give a damn about our ethics or constitution.
I mean this is just common sense, see the iron law of oligarchy, all societies end up oligarchies, with a ruling class heavily organized for their interests, and the largely disorganized masses who get screwed to a large extent, that’s just the way it is.
It’s not just crony capitalism but everything our gov does; authoritarianism, mass culture, war, it’s all for their benefit, they don’t stop at crony capitalism.

Now what can we do about it besides not masking, vaxxing and so on?
Noncompliance?
Trying to awaken the sheep?
Activism, donating to and voting for 3rd parties and independents like Maxime Bernier in Canada who hasn’t taken the vaxx and vows to put a stop to this?
Well that’s all we need to do, ultimately the ruling class can’t do anything without our cooperation, the less we comply, the less government will be able to subjugate, so just stop complying, some people aren’t complying, hopefully it will grow in time.
Physical violence probably won’t help, altho there are lines in the sand, I have mine.

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so in other words, there absolutely nothing you or
anyone can do? so why bother?

Kropotkin

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The more people noncomply with restrictions and stop enforcing restrictions the more it’ll go away.
A lot of people are getting sick of this crap, people on the fence about covid and the restrictions, even people that somewhat believe in them, they’re still getting sick of it, we’ll see if people comply as much in 2022 as they did in 2021.
How did prohibition end?
It became unenforceable, because so few people complied, and the underground economy and all the corruption and violence it brought with it became so vast.
As long as this goes on, an underground economy, culture and society will form, and threaten the establishment in all sorts of ways difficult to fathom now.

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It’s a worse fate to become a slave than to die fighting for freedom.

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You can also try to fight things out in court.
If you’re charged with breaking a restriction, fight it, fight it any way you can, but for me, for now, violence isn’t the answer, I would only consider violence if life became impossible with these restrictions, if I faced imprisonment, interment or I couldn’t do basic things like work (willing to relocate if I have to), buy groceries and other essential items, then it’s on, barring that I will continue to get around things.

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I don’t believe the Courts will save America.

It’s up to the American people, at this point.

It’s a choice everybody are already being forced into (forced vaccination).

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K: if you are right, then vaccinations are simple a symptom, not a cause…
if the conspiracy is as large as you claim, involving millions,
then it will take hundreds of millions to overthrow… I note
that both the Nazi and communist Soviet Union didn’t fall from an
internal solution, they fell due to external factors… in other words,
to overthrow a dictatorship takes something more than just an
internal overthrow, it requires some external factors, and if the conspiracy
is as large as you claim, then there is no external factors that can
overthrow this conspiracy…the entire world is involved, there
are no external forces able to overthrow this worldwide conspiracy…
as there were forces to overthrow the Nazi’s or the Soviet Union…

if we take you at your word, then there is no internal possibility of
overthrowing the forces driving this conspiracy… thus there is no
possibility of overthrowing this conspiracy… by your very own ideas…

so, what are we to do?

Kropotkin

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Some slaves are freer in their mind than most others that are physically unrestrained.They may not know the fill extent of the full extent of the freedoms they are fighting for.

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People need to learn the truth first and foremost, otherwise anything thereafter is pointless.

Humanity needs to know what happened at Wuhan Laboratory in September, 2019. People need to know whether it was accidental or purposeful in its release. Both the CCP and American governments refuse to investigate this (both own the WHO organization), because it would unravel and unveil to the rest of the world, the “gain-of-function” research as a collaboration between the US government and Chinese government. Anthony Fauci recently admitted with a slip-of-the-tongue, “collab–” between the governments. This slip-up was, I believe, just this last week.

Secondly, Humanity needs to understand the difference between the spread of the “SARS-Cov2” virus, and the Mass Vaccination rollout. These are two different events. People need to know what they are injecting themselves with. You claim, “how can this conspiracy be so big and work”? Well, it’s easy if nobody asks questions. Isn’t it strange to you, isn’t it mind-boggling, that nobody knows what the fuck are in the “vaccines”??? Doesn’t that strike you as odd?

If people aren’t even courageous enough, or have common sense, to dig around and investigate what Big Pharma is injecting hundreds of millions of people with, including children, billions of people…

Then yes, whatever they have planned, WILL WORK, and already IS WORKING.

The bottom-line is, the “vaccination” is other than the Disease. If you don’t know HOW they are different, then you will be lost in all of this.

Since when was it okay, for Americans or the world, to handover blind-trust in Big Pharma, and the US constitution (regardless of whether you are Left or Right)???

One of the bigger problems is Mass Media, MSM. It has a stranglehold on the minds of the masses. This is apparent, even on this forum, everyday, and every week.

If people give their Autonomy and Choice over to MSM, then yes, rest assured, any “conspiracy” will succeed.

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It’s better to be free and aware, than a slave and aware.

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K: and once again, a small, minded answer to the question, how
do we solve this worldwide conspiracy theory, is to not get vaccinated?
You don’t have anything else to offer us outside of that?
how weak and pathetic that your entire answer lies in, “not getting vaccinated”

I mean, if you are right and there a worldwide conspiracy theory, why aren’t we
doing something about the worldwide conspiracy? not getting vaccinated is something
like spitting into a hurricane and hoping to end the hurricane…

there is no value in just that…so, give us something we can do to fight this
worldwide conspiracy theory…not pathetic read up on it… what can we
physical do to end this worldwide, with millions of participants, what can
we do to end this today, right now?

Kropotkin

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Are you a Kindergartner? Are you in Elementary School? Do you need your hand held by Teacher during the lunch line? Are you a teenager, wants to learn to drive?

Or.

Are you an adult? Who can fend for himself?

If you don’t know what’s in this shit, what billions of humans are injecting themselves with… then what makes you think there’s any hope for them or you???

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Most of humanity may already be lost. You need to consider, for those dying of cardiac arrest from these “vaccines”, RIGHT NOW… that it’s too late for them.

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How did Gandhi defeat the British?
Mass noncompliance.
I’m not a pacifist, but if one’s life and livelihood are not truly threatened, there’s no need for violence, and unnecessary violence will be used to defame us by the ruling class in the eyes of the masses, they will turn it into yet another excuse to take more of our rights and freedoms.
It’s not just about not getting vaxxed, but disobeying all their restrictions, and not enforcing them on each other either.

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The most damning evidence throughout this whole “pLandemic”, was the vaccine inserts being empty and blank.

Big Pharma literally restricted the information and data what they are injecting people with… unbelievable.

Secondly, that they protect themselves from liability of injury and death… again, this cannot be ignored.

All of the evidence quickly adds-up to… stay far-the-fuck away from this poison.

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That begs the question , sure that’ s true but who can really be that aware? A very small percentige to be sure, in a 'democratic society, but. admittedly, most of the one to two percent of the truly ‘free’…

So the re-iteration of the present day state of affairs: the double edged sword, now more commonly known as a catch (22).

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K: do you have solutions or not? I don’t believe you do… I think you are like UR and afraid
of everything…the answer to a worldwide conspiracy theory isn’t just to “don’t take the
vaccine” that is awfully weak shit… you have a worldwide conspiracy theory,
what are we to do? simple question… can you answer it?

Kropotkin

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What is to be done:

Refuse. Go hungry. Die. There’s More.

If anything happens against your refusal:

Refuse what it’s still possible to refuse. Think & act YOUR thoughts, ignore (or love… as enemies) the rest.

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K: so once again, what are we to do about a worldwide conspiracy theory that is involving
millions of people… just not taking the vaccine, doesn’t answer that question…
if you are right, then offer us something more meaningful then crap like
“don’t take the vaccine”…just give us something to do to fight this worldwide
conspiracy theory…beside the weak ass shit like “don’t take the vaccine”…

Kropotkin