What Is A Woman?

[Arcturus_Descending]

Hello baby boy, Mad Man P

No, that key would be paying loving attention to your woman; listening honestly with empathy and compassion to what she is saying and trying to understand what she means. Women are complex creatures.

What’s interesting is that your answer is a motherly one…
Human infants and children can’t speak very well and need to be lovingly cared for, paid close attention to and understood, perhaps that might explain this impulse in you, this approach.

I might have said and visa versa. But since we were speaking of the key to the woman…
It is odd but I was not even, at that moment, thinking in terms of children but simply of how a man’s behavior (among other things) toward a woman can be that “key”. I know how I am. It must be the little child within me.

Evolution has molded our species into what it is… understanding that mold might lend us insight into our nature, permit us to better know ourselves and each other.

But do we all necessarily come from the same or the exact same “mold”?

[Arcturus_Descending]

Gloominary,

Is a woman lesser than when she has had a hysterectomy?

I think so.

Ouch. I still have my so-called womb as you put it but I am not sure how many women would think of their selves in those terms.
I cannot say if you are being objective here or if this is just a product of how humans value other humans and see things these days.

A woman has less value than she otherwise would have if she were pregnable.

Do you know what this just reminded me of – the female slaves on the auction platform. I am not comparing you to a slave owner, Gloominary.
I suppose these girls and women would have had far less value than those who could get pregnant? Right? But they had no “real” intrinsic value.

She may still have more value than a woman who is pregnable, she may still have tremendous value, but less than she otherwise would have.

You seem to be a bit contradictory here.

But I suppose that that might depend on who (the individual) it was who is looking at her, valuing her. I wonder if a man who was deeply in love with his wife would think that after she had to have a hysterectomy and they had no children at this time.

Would a man with one testicle be less valuable to his loving wife than a man with two?

Regardless if a woman had a hysterectomy, nature has designed her physique and psyche with a womb in mind, sort of speak, just as nature has designed men’s physique and psyche without one.
This is the essential difference between man and woman, nearly all of the other differences are a product of it.

Of course. It just seemed to me as though you were thinking of women in terms of commodities but I may be wrong. This might just be me.

I can affirm thier individuality and what makes them different from other women, while still affirming what makes them all the same and different from men, their primary sex characteristic, their womb, and all the secondary sex characteristics both physical and neuropsychological directly and indirectly derived from it.

Good.

[Gloominary]

@Arcturus Descending

Is a woman lesser than when she has had a hysterectomy?

@Gloominary

I think so.

@Arcturus Descending

Ouch. I still have my so-called womb as you put it but I am not sure how many women would think of their selves in those terms.
I cannot say if you are being objective here or if this is just a product of how humans value other humans and see things these days.

Women have a power men lack, and that is that they can give birth.
While it goes without saying both women and men are needed to conceive, only women can give birth.
Likewise, fertile women have a power barren women lack.
Now I’m not reducing all women’s value to motherhood, women have a tremendous amount of value in addition to it, I’m just saying its an important part of what makes them valuable, a way they can add value to their own lives and society.

Of course men and women both have strengths and weaknesses, women can give birth and men are physically stronger in many ways, but not all.
Mentally we each have strengths and weaknesses, for example men tend to be more visually spatially intelligent and women linguistically.

@Gloominary

A woman has less value than she otherwise would have if she were pregnable.

@Arcturus Descending

Do you know what this just reminded me of – the female slaves on the auction platform. I am not comparing you to a slave owner, Gloominary.
I suppose these girls and women would have had far less value than those who could get pregnant? Right? But they had no “real” intrinsic value.

I’m not sure why it reminds you of that, I guess it has something to do with feminism, which I don’t subscribe to exactly.
What it reminds me of is a young mother, wife and homemaker.
I’m not sure why you think me pointing out that part of what makes a woman valuable is her ability to give birth, means I’m denying her intrinsic value, or her other abilities.
Women are just as intrinsically valuable as men, their health and happiness is every bit as important for both themselves and their families, as men’s is for themselves and theirs.

@Gloominary

She may still have more value than a woman who is pregnable, she may still have tremendous value, but less than she otherwise would have.

@Arcturus Descending

You seem to be a bit contradictory here.

But I suppose that that might depend on who (the individual) it was who is looking at her, valuing her. I wonder if a man who was deeply in love with his wife would think that after she had to have a hysterectomy and they had no children at this time.

To her husband, who may not want any (more) kids, it may make no difference if she had a hysterectomy, but to society and more objectively, a woman has more value if she can give birth or if she’s a new mom, so long as she’s also a good woman.
It’s like all other things being equal, from a societal standpoint, a fertile woman or new mom has more value than an infertile woman.

@Arcturus Descending

Would a man with one testicle be less valuable to his loving wife than a man with two?

That depends on if she wants to get pregnant or not.

[Arcturus_Descending]

Gloominary,

Women have a power men lack, and that is that they can give birth.
While it goes without saying both women and men are needed to conceive, only women can give birth.
Likewise, fertile women have a power barren women lack.

Objectively speaking this is true. You do realize though that animals can also give birth.
I wonder if this perspective might in some way be responsible for the ways in which women have been held back through time?

Now I’m not reducing all women’s value to motherhood,

At least not ONLY to motherhood.

women have a tremendous amount of value in addition to it,

Off the top of your head, what is the next in line that is most important insofar as a woman’s value goes?

I’m just saying its an important part of what makes them valuable, a way they can add value to their own lives and society.

This is true.

Of course men and women both have strengths and weaknesses, women can give birth and men are physically stronger in many ways, but not all.

You really do seem to like the idea that women can give birth, Gloominary.

Mentally we each have strengths and weaknesses, for example men tend to be more visually spatially intelligent and women linguistically.

Can you tell me how that betters society? Which do you think is more valuable ~~ the man’s attribution or the woman’s as you stated?

I’m not sure why it reminds you of that,

I suppose that I just could not be so objective there. I am a woman after all.

I guess it has something to do with feminism, which I don’t subscribe to exactly.

So what are you saying here ~~ that women ought not to do their best to evolve and become everything which they possibly could become?

What it reminds me of is a young mother, wife and homemaker.

Yes, I can see that. Does this woman have the ability to go out and work, to help the man in bringing home the money and the bacon lol or must she putter around in the kitchen with her heels and her pearls around her neck?

I’m not sure why you think me pointing out that part of what makes a woman valuable is her ability to give birth, means I’m denying her intrinsic value, or her other abilities.

No, you are correct there. It does not mean that at all. I suppose that I am just not sure that that is the most important thing where a woman’s value is concerned albeit without that our species would die out.
We are all individuals. Perhaps what I am actually thinking and feeling is that each woman’s value can be different and at the same time equal depending on the circumstances and who she is? Ought women to be put in the same pidgeonhole? Perhaps I did not express that well.

Women are just as intrinsically valuable as men, their health and happiness is every bit as important for both themselves and their families, as men’s is for themselves and theirs.

True though I am sure that there are men out there who would think otherwise. But you do appear to have a healthy respect for and value women.

To her husband, who may not want any (more) kids, it may make no difference if she had a hysterectomy, but to society and more objectively, a woman has more value if she can give birth or if she’s a new mom, so long as she’s also a good woman.

But to a man who wants children does that woman who is loved by her husband become less valuable ~~~ in his eyes?

It’s like all other things being equal, from a societal standpoint, a fertile woman or new mom has more value than an infertile woman.

True…I suppose but that might depend on other things happening, no? I am still not sure if that ought to be the case though and I am not sure why.

What is a Woman?

Kind of like a diamond in the rough with many aspects to her. We have been a process for the longest of times since we were pieces of coal.
Would a woman warrior off fighting somewhere in the world who just saved ten men because of her fierceness, courage and intelligence be more or less important than the woman who stayed home and just gave birth?