I wonder if anyone out there asks himself or herself this question only to find they don’t like the answer. Are we supporting Israel in killing those around them? If they kill innocent lives with our weapons are we also held responsible by the world? I think it is like the drug dealer who supplied the drugs to the man who killed someone while high. Why would we not be responsible?
What is the world becoming when they depise Israel for this and even support Hezbollah? Have they lost their minds?
with that logic you should be in favor of the immediate invasions of syria, iran, china and russia. they arm hizbolla.
-Imp
I don’t like the answer I think of when I ask myself the title question of this thread. It seems America and Americans have forgotten what values this country was supposedly founded to uphold. And both political parties (left and right) both claim to uphold what is “American” but really are supporting a perverted self-aggrandizing agenda.
A) Hezbollah kidnapps 2 Isreali soldiers
B) Isreal initiates air strikes/artillary and declares they will continue to do so untill the soldiers are released.
C)Hezbollah, in response to air strikes, fires rockets into northern Isreal and causes Isreal to escelate they’re offensive.
If Hezbollah hadn’t kidnapped those soldiers this would not have happended, or, if it did, Isreal would be the instigator.
As it stands the U.S has no responsibility for the actions of either party.
If i take a hit of acid, kill 3 people, the drug dealer is not responsible for my actions.
realistically, i would take a hit of acid, discover the sole meaning of every life, get distracted by the goofy distortion of light in my peripheral vision, and lose focus of my revelation not realizing that it was mere nonsense anyway, saving me a feeling of stupidity which would have resulted from the faulty logic in my revelation and i’ll have a laugh about it in the process. if i were to explain my idea to anyone else on acid they would understand perfectly my revelation, whether or not it made sense to a “sober” person.
Tripper #1 -when we go from experiance to experinace … its all an experiance…ha hahahahah…you know what i mean?
Tripper #2 - wow man , your rigth, lests go run arround in the rain and eat some leaves… thats what we are meant to do…
Sober - put on a jacket…its November…
Trippers 1&2 - we have jackets… they are called skin…
Trevor, I think you got a bit distracted 
Realistically, it only makes sense to say we’re responsible if we know or reasonably suspect Israel is going to unjustly hurt people with the weapons we give them. We are currently trying to maneuver a solution, but I think the administration is right in saying Israel should restrain its response to something like a kidnapping–but then, we don’t have much clout in the restraint area.
I think our problem now is the after effect of the administration’s ignorance and arrogance. The problem was that they put the US on a pedestal, only to think that gave them the right to discard the integrity of government and the principles of individual rights when some crazy terrorists tried to knock the US off its perch.
I know of several cases that involved victims of gun violence and those who sold the guns, you may wish to find what the courts have decided in some of these cases. I am glad some of you feel the same way I do. I love my country but find myself feeling as if America has had one too many Nazi’s in its mist. Didn’t we hire many known Nazi for high positions in this country? Did this action change our country?
I think he was referring to a peaceful solution like disarmament, but good try anyway buddy.
no, it was an attempt to make some type of moral equivalence between the criminal and the producer of a tool.
-Imp
Israel thought they could wipe out hezzbollah
They failed
America thought they could sit back and wait for them to be wiped out
They weren’t
A sensible nation would learn the lesson and put off the planned Iranian Invasion
America won’t
This post shouldn’t be in the Philosophy section
Good night and Good Luck
America is doing what it has always done, like all sovereign nations for that matter; protect it’s interests. The justifications are obvious to me; The US’ national debt is so unacceptably high, especially compared with the rising economies of the East, that if no action is taken, America will soon be bought up by a couple of companies from China. (Didn’t some company from Japan almost buy a major American harbour?) The economy needs constant fueling, and war is economies best friend. Israel is not a bad partner in trade, as it is surrounded by countries who make no secret of their everlasting desire to wipe it off the face fo the Earth.
It’s not the first time the US (or, again, any country of some political significance) has supported morally questionable wars in remote parts of the world. Many people have an image of America as representing an humanitarian principle. But what is that, humanitarian - isn’t it simply denying the bare facts of life?
All famous altruists have become martyrs. All real hero’s were ruthless. I think what is happening to America is that it is turning into a martyr, and some people are doing their best to prevent that.
I don’t think there is moral equivalence between the criminal and producer in this instance, but there is a moral responsibility of the producers of these weapons.
then is there a moral responsibility on the parents of the criminals?
where do you stop?
isn’t that arbitrary?
-Imp
Indeed.
We could probably regress almost ad infinitum really.
That said, it is almost a given that if you arm a people with weapons who vehemently uphold abstract ideals to defend, death will result. The answer; cease producing weapons of mass destruction.
no, the answer is to stop blaming others for the actions of criminals. it is the responsibility, moral or otherwise, of no one but the criminal.
more nukes, less kooks.
[size=200]VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!![/size]
-Imp
Impenitent: no, the answer is to stop blaming others for the actions of criminals. it is the responsibility, moral or otherwise, of no one but the criminal.
K: Reporter: Mr. President (bush jr) can you name
any thing you did wrong during your first administration?
village idiot: I can’t recall anything we have done wrong
during the last 4 years.
K: Ummmm, can’t even take responsibility for making one mistake
during 4 years of office. Yah, I see how that works.
IMP: more nukes, less kooks.
K: weapons do not protect one.
If that were so, then places like the south side of
Chicago, would be one of the safest places on earth.
but it doesn’t work that way, the more weapons the greater
chance of people killing themselves or killing others.
IMP: VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!!
K: Spoken like a true radical. I merely peaceful advocate
change. you advocate death, violence and revolution.
Kropotkin
-Imp
K: Reporter: Mr. President (bush jr) can you name
any thing you did wrong during your first administration?
village idiot: I can’t recall anything we have done wrong
during the last 4 years.
K: Ummmm, can’t even take responsibility for making one mistake
during 4 years of office. Yah, I see how that works.
IMP: show me the money… you have no proof. no evidence. but nice name calling."
K: During a prime time press conference April 13 2004,
President bush was asked to name a mistake that he has made since taking office and what he has learned from it. Bush, was unable
to answer the question, admitted “maybe, I’m not as quick on my
feet as I should be in coming up with an answer” (wow, you think)
But weeks later, bush still hasn’t answered the question.
(Article was may 3, 2004) and then list 100 mistakes the village
idiot made.
IMP: more nukes, less kooks.
K: weapons do not protect one.
If that were so, then places like the south side of
Chicago, would be one of the safest places on earth.
but it doesn’t work that way, the more weapons the greater
chance of people killing themselves or killing others.
IMP: “LMAO… riiight… disarm and be a good human shield.”
K: your basic contention is we would be safer if everyone had
weapon, I.E. more nukes" and yet areas with more
weapons are LESS safer, thus you are wrong, again.
IMP: VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!!
K: Spoken like a true radical. I merely peaceful advocate
change. you advocate death, violence and revolution.
IMP: lost your stomach for revolution? Kropotkin is vomiting in his grave.
K: as usual, you mistake me for another. I am not Peter Kropotkin
born in Russia in 1849 or whatever it was, died in Russia in 1921.
Don’t mistake me for him. A man vomiting in his grave over 80
years after his death, is not that appealing of a picture.
Kropotkin
-Imp