What is life?

[Historyboy]

Isn’t that a fundamental consensus that something should be created?

Are we dying or living?

[James_S_Saint]

@Historyboy

Isn’t that a fundamental consensus that something should be created?

Huh?

@Historyboy

Are we dying or living?

I vote for option 3 (there is always a third option).

[pharaoh]

Living is a process which leads to death; therefore, living is in fact, dying!

[The_Golden_Turd]

[zinnat]

@Historyboy

Are we dying or living?

Both. Actually, both are the same things.
One is process while the other is its result, thus not comparable.

Process of dying is called living.
We are living to die.

But, it does not mean that living is useless.

with love,
sanjay

[Pandora]

Perhaps its a process of creation and re-creation. Something dies and something new is created; a process of ordering, decay and re-ordering.

[Orbie]

Living and dying are identical. Physiologically, our cells are constantly being replaced. Our minds can not accept this, therefore our psyche is a false reified identity. We are constantly living in bad faith. Faith, good faith, is the realization of no difference between life and death, only of constant change.

[Arminius]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eEQ4J6Lnrs[/youtube]

[monad]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7h_LuVVoyg[/youtube]

Everything & Nothing…but without music it would be a mistake to paraphrase Nietzsche.

[Arminius]

“What Is Life? is a 1944 non-fiction science book written for the lay reader by physicist Erwin Schrödinger. The book was based on a course of public lectures delivered by Schrödinger in February 1943” (Wikipedia), when George Harrison was born ( ). In this case the text of the musician George Harrison is more right than the text of the so-called “scientist” Erwin Schrödinger.

[James_S_Saint]

@zinnat13

We are living to die.

… one definition of insanity.

[Historyboy]

@Pandora

Perhaps its a process of creation and re-creation. Something dies and something new is created; a process of ordering, decay and re-ordering.

This impersonal statement which is present in almost all replies here was valuable until it was discovered that the male seed has an active role in the creation of a new life. Until then it was believed that everything rises from mud.

[Arcturus_Descending]

Life is transformation.

[finishedman]

@Arcturus Descending

Life is transformation.

What usually happens is that you use thought to get out of the prisons created by thought itself. Then you feel as if you’ve gotten somewhere. But you do not know from where it began: this problem created by thought. Actually there was no problem from which to be transformed. It is the thought of something better than what you presently are that keeps you from coming to terms with your life as it is. When the movement of becoming something you are not isn’t there, you are not in conflict with yourself.

[Historyboy]

@Arcturus Descending

Life is transformation.

“Computer updated” - Transformers

[Arcturus_Descending]

@finishedman

@Arcturus Descending

Life is transformation.

What usually happens is that you use thought to get out of the prisons created by thought itself. Then you feel as if you’ve gotten somewhere. But you do not know from where it began: this problem created by thought. Actually there was no problem from which to be transformed. . .

Geez, all I said is that life is transformation.
But I agree with you - we do use thought to get out of our prisons or away from our problems, et cetera.
I think that part of where it comes from is our belief systems. We can’t transform our lives until we’ve taken another look at our beliefs, until we’ve looked to see if what we believe in is, in actuality, the truth of things or the truth which we see but which is not truth, just erroneous unexamined belief which we need - kind of a cocoon.

It is the thought of something better than what you presently are that keeps you from coming to terms with your life as it is

So, do you think of yourself as finished, Man? But I do get what you mean here though.
And I kind of think that by not accepting who we are in the present, though we ARE flow, we cannot really begin the transformation process…which is not from my point of view, a completely conscious process. We do have to see that we are human and such being the case, we are not perfect, we make mistakes but so what…we continue on.

When the movement of becoming something you are not isn’t there, you are not in conflict with yourself

I don’t necessarily think so much that it is in becoming something concrete that can be named as it is in continuing the flow and the transformation as time goes on. Staying aware and paying attention. Am I wrong, do you think?
Transformation isn’t forced - it’s malleable, like clay in the potter’s hand.

[sharncheema]

The physical aspect of living cell,It is defined by Erwin Schrodinger.

[Pandora]

According to below articles, life is claimed to have been created (by physical processes) in order to transfer and dissipate energy more efficiently.

The second law of thermodynamics, which states that the energy of a system tends to even itself out with its surroundings (“a system’s entropy always increases”), can be expressed in many different forms. Kaila and Annila focus on two of these forms. When written as a differential equation of motion, the second law can describe evolution as an energy transfer process: natural selection tends to favor the random mutations that lead to faster entropy increases in an ecosystem. When written in integral form, the second law describes the principle of least action: motion, in general, takes the path of least energy.

From:
phys.org/news137679868.html

And again, from “A New Physics Theory of Life”:

…according to England’s theory, the underlying principle driving the whole process is dissipation-driven adaptation of matter.

The formula, based on established physics, indicates that when a group of atoms is driven by an external source of energy (like the sun or chemical fuel) and surrounded by a heat bath (like the ocean or atmosphere), it will often gradually restructure itself in order to dissipate increasingly more energy. This could mean that under certain conditions, matter inexorably acquires the key physical attribute associated with life.

…Thus, England argues that under certain conditions, matter will spontaneously self-organize.

By the way, have we yet observed the spontaneous self-organization of ‘life’?

simonsfoundation.org/quanta/ … y-of-life/

But it seems counter-intuitive. Do living processes tend to increase or decrease entropy flow? To me, life forms are all about hoarding-copying-hoarding energy (survival), not so much about dissipating it. How is that a path of least resistance? And is there a law or something that says that energy has to be accumulated through the means of a self-replicating and increasing in complexity form — in order to dissipate it more efficiently?
Is that how entropy supposed to work?

[Arcturus_Descending]

Pandora,

I think that the human spirit and coffee have a lot to do with it.

[Arcturus_Descending]

@Historyboy

@Arcturus Descending

Life is transformation.

“Computer updated” - Transformers

Transformation is about molding and re-molding through perpetual energy, ebbing and flowing. What does this have to do with transformers?