What IS love?

i’m waiting for someone to post an mp3 of an 80’s top 40 song - i’m envisioning something in an R&B style.

i know you’re good with english and all but i’d have to disagree greatly!

existence is a noun and a verb combined- it can never be one or the other only both

but i dont know if you were talking about existence- only assuming

Hot and cold are degrees of the same thing They are degrees of temperature.
Near and far are degrees distance.
Love and fear are degrees of the same thing.They are degress of BEING.

there’s an old interpretation that says it’s a verb

edit: meh, the herd beat me to it

Some might say that real love is the recognition of boundaries. But I am here talking personal individual boundaries between two people.

Can there be love where there is not this kind of perception?

Too often there is the dissolution of boundaries that leads to dependence on the other.

I rather think that where there are boundaries, there is Love, because then are two separate individuals, not an infusion of one.

It is when two people cannot see each other as “individuals”, as separate entities, that loves flies out the window.

That’s not necessarily true - many people “believe” in a higher power but don’t have much love within them.

You make it seem like it magically appears out of the ether…though love does abound in the universe. :laughing:

No, I don’t think so. You could say that is about attraction or the chemistry of two brains playing one another and perhaps phermones.

Love, real love, does permeate the universe, and Love with a capital L is about transcendence, whether it’s love of self or love of neighbor…love of humanity. Most of us do not love this way.

You sound like a buddhist and I think every sentence that you have uttered here is true.

Helptheheard

:laughing: Or maybe you can just say that existence just “IS”. The clue itself is within the word.

A rock exists but does it move on its own? Existence does not necessarily mean movement.

Existence is “Being” - it just “IS”.

dbl pst

being means movement and is means movement

if i say red you say blue with a laughing smiley :laughing: youll have to do better than that

love is everything
nothing is evil :slight_smile: this here you really might not get…but i had to put it :smiley:

judging from this reply i can see that you’re having trouble understanding my ideas- you think they are as simple as they appear but everything is simple unless you actually think about it :smiley:

this is just an error caused from your original errors of judgment on these fundamental truths- in order to understand what you think is so simpe you must be able to see everything from a big picture- you are thinking entirely too small- and even this particular small thought seems incorrect- we must always remember the truth is the same even in the small world of ideas- it just appears different- in the small world of ideas there is no evil- there is lack of movement but there is not enough movement for there to be evil- only love…evil only comes about after a certain amount of existence or time or love or movement…

… your last statement sort of says the exact opposite of what i say :slight_smile: …so you can see how you are really not understanding or seeing the bigger picture…

what i say is that love equals existence but existence does not equal love until love creates existence…its very easy to understand once you understand but it seems its very hard for people to cross this bridge- its like i can literally see a block- its such a strong block within so many people- they have trouble crossing over to a bigger picture- you have to leave your small picture- try to look at yourself from the outside- and then the inside and then the outside and then the inside- until you understand it so much that you can feel it- and then you can leave this small picture within your thoughts and you will feel it- you will feel love and feel connected haha- try it is fun…but other than that- i dunno what to tell you. re-read my words and think of them from a deeper perspective----deeper perspective equals bigger picture :smiley:

No, sometimes existence means just sitting on a bench in a park somewhere, no thoughts, no movement. I will grant you though, at this time the heart still beats, the lungs still pump, etc. but…

If you say red, I won’t say blue silly. I would say what shade? Like the beautiful sparkling pomegranate ruby red…or the oxygenized red of your blood.

“Love is everything”…what does that really say hth, in what way is love everything? You can say those 3 words but what do they mean to you?

So you are saying that you see nothing in the universe as evil? Pray tell, what would you call a young child being raped and/or molested by an adult. A simple unbalance? You don’t recognize evil in the universe? If everything has its opposite, how do you not perceive evil, if you can perceive love?

I did say that love permeates the universe but there is also evil within the world. As human beings, we are capable of becoming quite corrupted - we can fall as high as we can ascend. How do we even begin to transcend the evil, if we can’t perceive it?

HelptheHeard:

They are not your ideas…they have probably been around for thousands of years. And I certainly agree with you, things are not always as simple as they appear, once we begin to delve into them. Have you ever heard the statement “One picture is worth a thousand words”. So, in order to create that vast picture to be understood, we need more than a few phrases, don’t you think HTH?

Why do you make blanket statements such as “love is everything - nothing is evil and yet you accuse me of thinking “entirely too small”. You have one thing right though, in order to get at the truth there does need to be the larger picture.

hmmm…that smiley face there and bit o’ superciliousness seem vaguely familiar to me somehow but I can’t place it. :laughing: Tell me, HTH, what is the difference between presenting a statement and shoving it in someone’s face? Can a statement not more easily be seen when one can stand a little away from it rather than have it smeared in one’s face :wink:

You are really going to have to explain this 1st statement to me. As for your first statement, one might say that a “lack of movement” can ultimately cause evil. If we don’t transcend evil or resist it, that lack of movement most certainly can bring evil into the world. There is more than one way, more than one perspective, in which to view things, HTH. The 2nd part if you are speaking of human evolution, yes I totally agree with that. Human evolution gave birth to many things. But you might agree with me here that Love was and is the starting point.

At the same time, when really looked at, it is Love or God or however you want to call it, that called the universe or existence into being. Only a force as strong as love could have created the universe…that is my truth.

If you are simply talking about the interconnectedness of everything in the universe and feeling One with everything, I understand all of this and I feel all of this. If you are talking about observing, being attentive and listening to the universe without and the universe which is within, I understand this too. If you are speaking of something else, you will have to explain in clearer words to me than …inside and outside, outside and inside.

Thanks HTH. :wink:

The opposite of love is fear. It is not hate or

evil or anything else.

Many of us believe that there is a struggle

between good and evil in the world. -
But all you gotta do is look around and see

that it is not so.

The suffering in the world is not from the

struggle between good and evil but; from

accepting lies as truth.
At first we existed wild and free and saw only

truth. But then the domestication of us

commences and we are downloaded with lies

and other adult believes. Not all downloads

are not directly inculcated some are implied

and some directives we assume.

In a healthy person bad programs can be

purged, but in some of us with defective

cognition, can maybe be helped or detained for

our own benefit.

existence itself is movement- if you can see it then it is at least moving in order to be seen.
evil is not a force- evil is an imperfect love- a lack of the right kind of love. in order to exist you must love- you must at least love yourself in order to continue moving so that you may exist. the fundamental movement is existence and this movement is of love…evil comes later as love grows it may grow imperfectly thus evil comes about as an imperfect force of love but evil itself is not a force- evil does not originate from evil- evil originates from love…therefore the only force is perfect love or imperfect love which is evil

Helptheherd:

Okay. I will grant you that. I do know what you mean.

I beg to differ with you here, hth. Evil is a force I think – just as good is a force too. Perhaps if I paint this canvas with very broad vivid colors I can say that “evil” can flow out of imperfect love, can be born out of imperfect love, but I wouldn’t so much say that “evil is an imperfect love”. The rape of a child is an evil act but I wouldn’t say that it is imperfect love. Because there is absolutely no love within the rape of a child, only evil. Rape is about rage, hatred, control. Tell me where you see love in that. And if you are going to tell me that a parent can both love and at the same time, rape a child, then you will need to re-define for yourself what love truly is.

When you use the word “moving” here I see “becoming” “evolving” “transcending”. All of these concepts are about existing and moving, to me. In other words, existing is about “loving” ourselves and others. At the same time, hth, even if one does not love, become, evolve, etc., one is still capable of existing, unless you are using the term “exist” in a more enhancing, flourishing, and idealistic way.

At the same time, I think it is too broad a statement to make. Alright, universally and metaphysically speaking, the outer and the inner universes exist and do move from an origin of Love. Everything moves (is created) and exists from the flow of Love.

So what you might be saying here is that evil is like this seed that began to grow into a tree but because it wasn’t nourished, received no light and helped along, it became warped and grew into something foreign to itself, all gnarled and black and dead.

Alright so you are saying that because evil does not originate from evil – and here again I beg to differ with you. I think I understand what you are saying here though – evil evolved simply as a fact of existence. Evil does though give rise to evil. Evil is just as much an energy as is the force of good. Good is energy and evil is energy. Both are capable of being transformed though.

Perfect love, if there is such an ideal, is the most powerful force in the universe I will grant you this. I affirm this. And evil cannot survive in a world where there is only perfect love.

We may actually be thinking the same way, hth, but we use different language to express it. But I can’t say for sure.

of course there is love there- if there was no love there- it would not be able to happen in the first place

hmmm im sure i use it in a more simplified way. i say that existence is movement and movement is love and love is belief in higher power therefore if something is existing then it is loving.

EDIT: actually come to think…to me it is very simple because they are my thoughts but i can see how others may see it as more complicated or more comprehensive then the common definition or as you said “in a more enhancing, flourishing, and idealistic way.” so i do give you credit for that observation but nevertheless i really can not make my fundamental truths any more simple than they already are- and i must admit i always try to speak with very simple words. i want as many people to be able to understand as possible without making something complicated that i truly find simple-

well to me energy is simply timeheat- this to me would be the only form of fundamental love- the love of existence that’s not to say that one can not reach higher love than existential love because i believe that for example dying for someone else may be a stronger love and the fact that intelligence equals love means that only movement increases love therefore as something exists it should grow in love.

evil on the other hand is simply a result of love moving (growing) in the wrong way- the force is felt as evil only if the person is ignorant- for example when i walk outside at night near an alley way for example- i dont look off into the darkness thinking there is something evil lurking- i look at all existence as love- if someone kidnaps me and tries to torture me i will not look at them as evil - i will only look at them as psychotic or mentally ill. no known entities are evil- animals, bugs, nothing that we see is evil- the concept of evil only comes about after a certain level of intelligence or movement is reached. and even at this level- none of us can judge whom is guilty of evil because we wouldnt know how to- as i said i would simply think someone was physchotic before i think they are evil. by my standard, i feel that there are few people that actually go to hell if there is one. i believe that only God can judge if someone is not worthy of heaven. sometimes i feel that noone has to be punished unless they actually dont want to go to heaven- but then the idea itself would be a result of imperfect love so wouldnt that too be unfair…therefore i try not ever to think about evil- and i make sure to pray to God so that he knows i love him and so that i may be the best person i can be- there is no point in trying to figure out whether everyone is safe. i know the bible says that once you love God he never turns his back on you but then what about the people that never believed in the first place? the way i see it is God deals with everyone in their own way and only he may do this because it is something only a perfect entity may do- but to me this also means that the people that do believe are rewarded :smiley:so its not to say that those that do not believe are punished but that those that do believe are rewarded. therefore anyone that is born with a brain and can use it well is extremely blessed by our father because we will be able to believe more than others with less brain capabilities… what this actually means is that people with higher faith have more responsibility than those that do not believe or those that are less intelligent.

we very well may be…it depends on how many fundamental truths we can truly agree on. for example i do not believe in the devil the same way others may. i do not believe evil can affect us- i do not believe i can be hurt by some evil force. small things as such may differ us but just as long as we agree that there is a higher power then thats what matters the most. next would be the belief that we must service each other until everyone is equally sustained. a belief of responsibility for everyone and everything else to reach ultimate enlightenment and ultimate balance