What is philosophical nihilism?

Then you would say 1+1=5?
You are indoors and outdoors at the same time.
I am awake and asleep.

If I break the rules of logic, I render language nonsenical. The statements above have no meaning. Everyone must think logically to function in the most everyday tasks. If they didn’t, they would be put in a nuthouse. For example, If I want to walk from point A to point B, I take the shortest route, a straight line. However this understanding comes after the action. Logic is applied after the act.

In poetic language we can transcend logic. Yet, to break the laws of logic when articulating a philosophical belief?? Truly nonsensical - an meaningless pursuit, you haven’t communicated anything with sense, and you haven’t argued anything. Why philosophize? Without logic, we have poetry and rhetoric. Good for impressing a date or manipulation, but not for serious philosophy.

Your interpretation.

In nihilism there isn’t a “true” anything.

You assume that nihilism expresses itself as a ideology that should be accepted absolutely.

Hypocrisy can be found in all people and philosophies. Noone is exempt.

Your intepretation. You don’t strike me as some Nietzschean scholar or some know it all.

Will to power is motivation. It is the motivation and impulse of all values or forms of survival.

I would argue that it isn’t a value in-of-itself.

Does not the lion who knows nothing of valuing have a will to power? A will to conquer its prey?

Where in philosophical nihilism does it dictate that one cannot create values for themselves?

As far as I know nihilism only speaks against values of the objective or absolutist scale.

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Yet logic itself many times is a extension of language which language itself can in many ways reduce things to nonsense.

Only the civilized assume that people can only act in everyday tasks logistically.

Animals survive fine without constructed conceived notions of logic. ( That is because they lack our absurdity.)

I see you believe in the absurdity and purity of normalcy. How interesting. How dogmatic of you.

Logic is also dispendable without the use of language too.

Unless the backbone of such a conceived philosophy is the anti-thesis of logos viewing it as somthing arbitrary and dispensable which nihilism in many ways can do.

I like to look at nihilism as the philosophy of infinite regression.

Because I can. Because I like revealing and reveling in the world’s hypocrisy by delightful display.

I don’t like poetry or rhetoric. Without logic we have sensation, instinct and primary impulse.

I don’t look at philosophy as being serious at all.

Ahh you are what your name implies. Perhaps this is a better philosophical stance for you, since it would save me the time of taking you seriously.

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You misinterpret my positions. I don’t advocate total silence although I do enjoy it frequently.

Why exactly should philosophy and life be taken so seriously? You sound a bit like a institutionalist mate, and no offence but I myself despise institutions.

nihilism has nothing to try . really

its not an intelligent idea at all , really , when you think about it .

You’re ignorant to think you know something without acknowledging infinite regress.

Nihilists are the most fit philosophers to become truly wise.

not really is see nothing wise in nihilists at all .

apparently I do , I win

Well, I think we are all “nihilists”. So it’s kind of an unreal term “nihilism”.

speak for yourself 

I’m NOT a nihilist at all . ever

nihilist thinking is not only unreal it should irrelevant to any Human survival thinking , period .

Then what are you, something?

You are nothing! This whole world, is nothing!

It is nihisophical philolism, only reversed.

iOkay, my memory’s a little fuzzy here but I believe Nietzsche (in some sense of the word) delineated the different nihilisms. As I remember he said that there was religious nihilism, like Christianity, which imbues value into a world beyond this world, ie totally ignoring this world and embracing one which is, for all intentsive purposes, nonexistent.

Then there is active nihilism; Nietzsche would regard this as Dionysus relative to Apollo. Active nihilism is the ACT (not an all-encompassing ideology) of destroying values, usually on a temporary basis and usually fueled by the foundation of some other ideology. Most revolutions have a period of active nihilism where the values of the previous institution must become subject to iconoclasm to make way for the erection of new schematic structures.

Lasty, is complete nihilism. If one were to read Nietzsche or Sartre from the context in which they where written, that is a modern context, one immediately assumes history to be very progressive and unilinear; but as indicated my postmodernism, history is in fact multifaceted and in no fashion is it heading in a straight line. Therefore, Nietzsche’s prophetic ramblings sound, from a modern standpoint, to be the simple prediction of the fall of the Western, Judeo-Chistian, heirarchial system which is to be replaced by the ideals of the Ubermensche; ideals that ride on the will to power’s coattails. From this perspective, only two nihilisms can possibly exist, one of religion and one which offers no foundation in and of itself. Thus, existentialism is born to deny objectivity as active nihilism does, but then replaces such destruction with ‘personal freedoms’ and ‘choices’ much like religious nihilism. For the modern man’s mind, this works.

But from a postmodern perspective, where such a linear progression of events (which, might I add, individual’s such as Karl Marx were equally prophetic about) is somewhat irrelevant. We get a brand new concept of nihilism: complete nihilism. That is, Nietzsche’s Ubermensche isn’t the replacer of ideals in place of newer, ‘better’ ones, but rather he signifies the point at which humanity truly sees the world from all angles. He ceases the dialectic cycling of theses, antitheses, and syntheses. He becomes, in a quasi-Buddhistic sense, enlightened. Instead of become Dionysian temporarily to restore Apollonian order, the Ubermensche accepts and embraces foundationlessness and chaos, drowning himself in Dionysus’ wine.

This is why I think (philosophical) Buddhism and Taoism are essentially varying forms of nihilism (postmodern nihilism, not modern nihilism). It is the eternal regression of affirmations; as soon as you hit one level of acceptance, there is constantly a subsequent level of subjective affirmations until the day we die; when we become inanimate objects. Instead of simply coping with infinity like existentialism and religion, where they intentionally (existentialism) or inadvertantly (religion) uphold spheres of finiteness for out monkey brains to comprehend, nihilism and Buddhist philosophy (IMO) try to BECOME infinity (note: to try is an affirmation in and of itself, causing an obvious dilemma for the nihilist, which is up to the nihilist to always accept but never to come to terms with).

The fallacy for non-nihilists and uninformed self-attirbuted nihilists is that they make the, very modern, assumption that nihilism makes some sort of ‘conclusion’ or ‘framework’ bywhich to build something on. Nihilism, much like Buddhism, is rather an ever-evolving, ever-reducing path (<<< bad terminology) where one must never expect for conclusions to be asserted. To is infinite apathy. To want without wanting. To breathe without breathing. To regress without regressing.

Very well-said Provalone… too bad thick-headed people won’t consider your post.

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Thank ye.

The thing is that everything I just said above is refutable. What separates nihilism from the rest is the constant understanding that even the most feably committed and temporary affirmations are refutable. To see all angles, thus, causes apathy, not so much the melancholia people attirbute to nihilism. I even understand that the words I speak now are redundant conclusions. So is that one. And that one. That one too. Same with that one.

For time and efficiency’s sake, our brains were evolutionarily equipped to put a stop to such infinite regression. That’s why we can only think and imagine in finite terms.

Imagine a mentally ill individual who was born without whatever mental faculty forces us to draw conclusions in the face of infinity. He’d most likely be rocking back in forth in a padded room, self-reducing whatever his initial statement was. Forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever…

Which is precisely why nihilism is the branch of philosophy best suited to know the “truth of things”, because such a grandoise truth would necessarily be irrefutable. Who else but a nihilist could know whether something is irrefutable or not, since the nihilist is practised in the area of infinite regress. Nihilists know where everything goes, regardless of where everything comes from. (towards chaos)

Right.

If some “grand truth” were to pop out of the framework of society and were to be widely accepted, nihilists would be the first individuals to poke holes in it. In some ways society needs nihilists to keep things in check.

By know means are nihilists capable of being ‘true nihilists’ in the most widely regarded sense, though, because to be a true nihilist would mean you would both exist and not exist at the same time. Instead, they are nihilistic, breaking things into their component parts and those component parts into their component parts within the capabilities of the human mind. That is, to break things down as much as humanly possible (for to exist as a human, let alone to exist at all, require some sort of resistence to entropy, ie finiteness).

That’s why I don’t outright say I’m a nihilist (that would be conclusion-drawing) but rather I say, “I’m sort of a nihilist,” or “I’m nihilistic.”

You could say it is a Buddhists attempt to become a true nihilist; the state of Nirvana seems to me to be that point (or nonpoint) of suspension bywhich all things break down from. Yet in his journey of becoming a true nihilist, the Buddhist realizes that true nihilism is in itself conclusion-drawing, rendering such an attempt to be redundant. Yet redundancy is itself redundant so…

Excellent post Provalone.