What is soul? If it is produced from food then, when food st

What is soul? If it is produced from food then, when food stops soul is destroyed?

Soul is pure awareness, which is a special work form of energy produced by the oxidation of food. Its generation requires the function of several biological systems also like lungs, stomach, nervous system etc. When any one of these fail, the energy is not produced and awareness in general disappears as in the deep sleep in which the nervous system takes rest.

But the subtle body, which is a bundle of strong feelings (Samskaras), which are the waves of awareness, is not destroyed and it leaves the body for final enquiry. The enquiry is conducted by God based on these Samskaras only and not mere pure awareness, which is common in every soul. If you mean the subtle body for the soul, it is not destroyed. Even in the subtle body, pure awareness exists like gold in the jewels.

You make no sense. =D>

I would not call the soul ‘pure awareness’. The soul is better thought of as the subconscious. Yes, nutrition plays a part in how well it functions, for it is a part of the body.

What is pure awareness? It is only a special form of inert energy. When we eat the food, it is oxidised by the oxygen received through the respiratory system. When the food is assimilated in the digestive system, it is oxidised by the Oxygen from the respiratory system, which is carried by the blood in dissolved state through Haemoglobin. The oxidation of food is exothermic reaction and liberates inert heat energy. This inert heat energy is converted into a special form of energy called awareness by the nervous system.

The electricity is produced by the generator and enters the tube light. The electrical energy is converted into light, which is another new form of energy. The heat energy produced by the interaction of digestive and respiratory system is called life energy (Pranamaya kosa). When this heat energy is converted into awareness by nervous system the awareness or mind is produced (Manomaya kosa). This awareness which is in the purest state is called as the soul (or Atman). This awareness is propagated in the form of pulses and these pulses as a bundle is called as Jeeva. The bundle of pulses of awareness is called as simply Jeeva from the point of pulses, is called as Atman from the point of awareness and is also called as Jeevatman from the point of both the pulses and awareness.

The constant propagation of pulses is called as mind (manas). The impressions of strong pulses are called as Chittam. The production of strong of pulses by the interaction of several weak pulses is called as intelligence or determination or Buddhi. The strong pulse that keeps the identity of the body is called as Ahamkara or ego. When you say the word Jeeva, it refers only to Manas, Chittam, Buddhi and Ahamkara (Antahkaranams). Therefore the soul and Jeeva together called as Jeevatma is only a special form of energy i.e., generated by the interaction of digestive, respiratory and nervous systems. Thus Jeeva representing the bundle of characteristics and Atman representing the special form of energy or Soul can be only the items of creation and not the creator. You are worried about the generation of Soul but there need not be any worry because Soul is an item of creation. In this creation there is conversion of matter into energy.

There is conversion of one type of matter into another type of matter through a chemical reaction as done by chemists. There is also conversion of one form of energy into another form of energy as done by physicists. There is conversion of matter into energy as done by technologists and engineers. Now if the Soul is generated, what is there to worry? This topic comes under the realm of creation and is within the boundaries of the creation. Gita says that the Soul is Paraprakruti. Prakruti means creation. Para means the finest part of creation. Therefore the transformation of Soul or division of Soul or generation of Soul is only topic of science and is not a topic of spirituality. Spirituality deals with creator who is beyond the creation. Veda says ‘Annat Purushah’, which means that the Soul is produced from the food. It is conversion of matter into Soul, which is energy.

This state of ‘pure awareness’ you speak of seems to be one where the id (aspect of the subconscious) is functioning at peak performance. There is often a correllation between feelings of superabundence and such states of mind. But I fear the ‘energy’ you speak of is merely a feeling.

Impious, this “id” is old news, man. Its the last desperate attempt of behaviorists to deny responsibility for their actions.

I’m not kidding when I told you that Sartre beat the snot out of Freud.

You should have a look at Sartre and stop resting on your laurels.

I don’t give two shits about Freud. I define the id as ‘the unconscious energies of the mind’ and use the term accordingly. To say that you are essentially responsible for the unconscious processes of your body is highly problematic. Our id often behaves in ways that we don’t approve of. The subconscious in general can cause us to say or do things that work precisely against our desire. Call it the subconscious, call it the id, one cannot deny that there is an unconscious element to thought and action.

Try again.

To say “you behave in ways you don’t approve of” is to approve of the fact that you think you behave in ways you don’t approve of, and this approval is a choice.

Nietzsche’s concept of the Will, which can be easily rendered nonsensical, was taken up by Freud, who, in his Project, attempted to reconcile neuronal inertia and hydraulic process with non-quantifiable nervous system states. What he found is that the extent of neurological activity can only be defined in binary terms, and that a behavioral response is a complex of organizations of reflex-- a synapse either fires or it does not. This is called the threshold of the nerve. This explaination is strictly empirical, and therefore there is no place for a non-empirical entity, such as a “Will”, in such a process.

The “Id,” as it is defined by Freud, is almost as ridiculous as Jung’s theory of the individuation. Neither of these “functions” signify anything in consciousness, as Sartre thoroughly explains in his Transcendence of the Ego.

Consciousness does not “emerge” from an object state such that it is produced by non-reflective instinctual response. A reflex, as in the case of flinching or blocking a punch, is not pre-reflective, and therefore not a choice of conscious thought.

Epistemological discourse, which is the process of “thinking with words,” is the limits of what you can know (Wittgenstein), and as such, a theory of the “Id” is not conclusive due to actual empirical states, but instead conscious intentions for the meaning of the terms as you see fit.

Everything you say about this “Id” is nothing you can admit to know for certain. You demonstrate this proof yourself. You speak of it as if it is a ghost in a machine.

Let me ask you this: if there is a sub-consciousness, how can you be certain there isn’t a sub-sub-consciousness, or metaconsciousness?

No, there are two elements composing reality as we know it. Being and conscious reflection. Consciousness, or what Sartre called “being-for-itself,” is not determined by the ends of object which constitute it, such as the body, but instead determines the ends of the object of consciousness.

The “Id” is however you describe it. Because of this, it isn’t anything less than your description, while what is certain is that you have chosen to define it as such.

Give me an example.

No fuck it, I’ll give you an example.

“Damn, I hit her!”

“Why?”

“I guess I was mad at her.”

“You guess?”

“Well, now I’m okay, but before I was angry.”

“Angry at what?”

“She didn’t do the dishes.”

“Did you choose to be angry at her for not doing the dishes?”

“No, because she knows how I get when she doesn’t do the dishes.”

“Then you are saying that you chose, previously, to “get a certain way” when she doesn’t do the dishes, and expected her to act according to your demands?”

“Yes.”

“Then your reaction was based from a previous choice, and you assumed that she would believe that your reaction was granted, while in reality you simply chose to feel that way.”

Impious;

Lord initially created inert energy( since it has no independence of its own), and all other items of the creation is the modification of this inert energy. Lord is unimaginable and uncomprehenable, and the link between the first created item and the creator is also unimagnable.

From the inert energy all the other items created including the souls also.

The soul is in its basic form is inert energy only.

I am talking specifically about involuntary behavior.

One can dream anything at all in correllation with one’s behavior, including that behavior which is not a choice of conscious thought.

What rubbish. I don’t have to reduce my thought to words in order to know it.

Actually, I can.

Not at all; you added that yourself. At no point did I suggest that the id is nomadic or spectral. It’s purely biological, a part of the brain.

Oh, I’m absolutely certain that there is. An entire heirarchy of souls obeying and commanding each other to different degrees.

You like to think in terms of an ‘apparent’ world (reality) vs an ideal (‘real’) world. Well, you’ve got it all upside-down. I’m sorry, but reality isn’t composed of metaphysical concepts of thought. It’s composed of matter.

So are you saying that the soul is the result of an energy transference initially started by the consumtion of food? So at times tere would be an increase in strength of the soul? Also the subtle bodies “soul” is the result of the effect that the “soul” from food has on the body?

I can see no reason why the soul may not be an energy, even a measurable one in time. It could therefore answer alot of questions of the whys and wherefores.