What is the end game for conservatives?

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K: the question becomes, what type of state or society that
the right wing actually desires. For a conservative, what does the
‘‘end game’’ look like? What is their idea goal for the society/state?
What does their ‘‘Utopia’’ look like? From where I sit, all I see is the
right making ‘‘ad hoc’’ statements, like ‘‘Gays should die’’ or ‘‘liberalism
is evil’’, but they don’t make overall statements… the government should
be? or the society should look like… for example, one of the
prominent ‘‘themes’’ of the right is their love of the Medieval period…
and as this AI suggestion repeats…

''Some conservatives and far-right factions idealize the medieval period, drawing on themes of hierarchy, traditional authority, religious cohesion, and chivalry as a counter to modern secularism and liberalism. This perspective often romanticizes a “neo-feudal” order with rigid social roles, low taxation, and localized power.

  • Key Themes: The fascination often involves the belief that the Middle Ages offered a clearer, more organic social order, where everyone knew their place (serf, knight, baron).
  • Political Motivations: This includes a desire for a return to a society deeply rooted in Christian faith, organic community, and hierarchical authority, sometimes referred to as “[integralism])”.
  • Imagery: The far-right has, at times, adopted medieval and Crusader imagery to represent a battle against perceived societal decline.
  • Critique of Modernity: Proponents often view the modern, bureaucratic state as oppressive and see the decentralized, lower-taxed structure of medieval times as a model of liberty and order.
    Some critics argue this view is a form of “chronological snobbery,”

Is this what conservatives like RealUn want? They don’t tell us their
ultimate goal is probably because they have no idea what their goal is,
or what they are trying to do…or what the state/society should look like
after they have removed the items of their hate… gays, liberals, minorities,
education, democracy, science, laws… to name a few things that conservatives
hate and have demanded to be removed… so, what does their
ideal society/state look like? what is their end game? How do they
see the individual in this ideal state? They sure do hate, but can they
turn that hate and anger into a viable working political and social system?

Kropotkin

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Thousand year reich. Yw.

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perhaps, perhaps…

Kropotkin

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Sorry man, didn’t mean to hijack your thread, i’ll let @RealUn give the definitive answer

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I doubt you’d get an answer. Your picture of what constitutes a ‘conservative’ is so peculiar that I doubt more than 20000 people (a very optimistic estimate) in the whole planet are fitting of that.

For example, for a person to be fitting of your description, it must hold absolutely all of the next true:

  • Want gays dead
  • Be christian
  • Is hateful
  • Want no education
  • Want no science

If you stick to ‘Are you X? What do you want?’, you’d get a more fitting response

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two things, no problem and second, I doubt he or any other
right winger will answer because that will force them to actually
think about their position… which is essentially ‘‘ad hoc’’ of
the moment… kill the liberals… ok, and that takes us where
exactly? that is my point, they have no future to look forward to…
they only focus on their own particular fetish about gays, or trans
or liberals, but they have no sense of ok, I hate gays, and then
what is next? they never get to the next part… what does the
state/society look like when they have achieved their goals…
kill the liberals, kill the gays, kill the trans, only ‘‘men’’ and
‘‘women’’ sex, what is the end game here… beside outright
hate? I can’t see what type of future they are aiming for, given
their particular hates… what does the future conservative state/society
look like?

Kropotkin

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People do not have to be exposed to other peoples’ fetishes Peter.

Coming from a very heterosexual family, I am very well aware that there are people who do not, so why the need to expose the entire world to it?

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two things: one this is an ‘‘ad hoc’’ position because it only
addresses itself, and two: what is the end result you are looking for?
I would argue that couples kissing, gay or otherwise is upsetting,
why do heterosexual couples get a pass and gay couples don’t?
this is bigotry and prejudice, to hold one group to a standard
that you don’t hold another group to… what about this, I
don’t want white people kissing in public but its ok for black people to
kiss in public… that is the exact same standard you are using, what
is wrong with it?

Kropotkin

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Yeah, I doubt even he would fit the description you made, and most anyone else. So, apart from that, you summed to it yet another description: Somebody unwilling to think about theirposition, and wants to kill the liberals. Ok then, I bet that the ‘they’ you are referring is about 100 people globally (so that it fits your description)

So, why don’t you ask honestly to whoever you wanted to ask, and let that person speak?

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it is an open ended question to allow anyone who wants
a word, to have a word… what is the end game of your beliefs?
what type of society/state are you working for? people have
a tendency to state beliefs in a vacuum, but beliefs, as with
values are not made in a vacuum… remove your beliefs
from a vacuum and state, them within a social, political,
economic and philosophical context…

Kropotkin

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Let me rephrase what I just wrote:

You expect people to read what you wrote, say ‘Welp, that’s fits me exactly!’ and then tell something. Picture who would do that, and tell me how many people around the world do you estimate that, having read that, would answer you

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Conservatives today are materialistic big government neoliberals, same as the left. Politically there is almost no meaningful difference between conservatives and liberals anymore.

So the endgame for both groups is largely the same: slavery in the prison planet Orwellian panopticon of the transhumanist technocracy that is being built around us more every day. Either that or hunted down by their own government. Pick your poison.

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I’ve watched up to 1:45
I feel don’t really get the UK or the USA or the farming industry in any country.
A farm looks idyllic, and that’s the entirety of this man’s pitch. He’s presenting to you “Heimat”, l bet there’s a scene of a mom breastfeeding her baby further down the timeline?

Yes farms are hard work etc. However this man is not representative of society. His accent is Received Pronunciation, more typical of Tories, the peerage etc. but can be heard anywhere really. I use it when speaking to customer service agents. HIs accent shows he is out of touch.

He cites “Great Yarmouth First” as an allied political party. I’ve never heard of them but Great Yarmouth, like Blackpool, is a holiday resort for the poor, and a dumping ground for the poor (seaside towns are rotting away, housing is cheap to avoid seasonal vacancy). The visitors are boozy, warlike, boisterous. This is the lower end of UK white culture that his cadre are manipulating.

Back to Farming. It used to be notoriously subsidised by the European Union, people used to call farmers lazy before Covid, after which they achieved cult status. Since Brexit l’ve no idea how farms make up for the lack of EU subsidies but l note food prices have increased wildly (though not a lot of my shopping comes from UK).

There are many parties like his and there will be more. The idea is: create mass appeal via reactionary nichey parties (make sure to, you know, use that vast old Tory wealth pay some mafia to get some migrants over, get a CCTV screengrab of one chatting to a 12 yr old girl, say they drove somewhere to fornicate, then unleash media stories about how she was [statutorily] raped, and abducated (she cannot legally have given permission)). They look politically weak, dispersed, dissipated, compared to Labour who are weak but one bloc. Then, when the elections loom, collapse all those parties into one really nasty one. Cue another 12 years of Right Wing rule.

Another thing: I’m unsure if the concept of rotten boroughs has been solved in the UK. It seems that the % of seats won by Tories does not equate to the % of voters. The point being, that farmer probably lives in a rotten borough, where there’s about 200 people yet it’s a sizeable part of the UK.

The true Far Right party that will take over will be sometihng like Turning Point UK, which will be a reaction against Islam and we all know who will be financing it, just as they finance Turning Point in USA.

I don’t think you really answered the OP @RealUn - what is the Utopia you aim for?

I think your speakers are all Right Wing materialists, and as such, they don’t do philosophy per my thread here.

Instead, they are sinisiter individuals that call (openly or via dog whistle) to Man’s base desires, which are in INCREASING order of precedence:

  • Money, Food
  • Sexual supply
  • Fear, Fight <— this is their major card, the most basic instinct. Stranger Danger. The need to kill, kill, then reap the benefits above

That’s why you want a violent upheaval, then religious separatism. It has to be Xtian separatism as per Turning Point as the paymasters’ true goal is to eradicate Islam.

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Back when I played this game briefly, I chose the ‘Caldari’ race. I think that’s a good ideal to represent my personal beliefs.

Did I not respond to you there, already??? I can’t take any Leftwinger seriously, who cannot define how many Sexes there are, or what a Woman is. If YOU can, indeed, define what a Woman is, then are you really “Leftwing” after all?

Right-ism is based on Tradition and Conserving such Traditions. It’s about Morality. Who cares about Materialism? It’s a moot-point.

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Hi l didn’t think that was a serious response re: many genders.

Re: the EVE mythos:

  1. That’s just a computer game
  2. Even the intro shows that division and war will find you out no matter where in the universe you go (on this mortal plane at least)

By the way, as for mixing religion with politics:
I think with politics, people exercise doublethink.
Especially religous people. Especially Judaism & Islam.
We have a personal / religous mode of thinking. And we have the official party line. That applies to left or right, l’d have thought?

Religously: I don’t approve of homosex, trans, and think most of the prison population qualify for execution.

Politically: I am fine with people’s personal choices in their sexuality and gender identity, because we all must live together. I’d even pity most prisoners and accept they can change.

So that’s the key to all this: politically, l think we must all live together. However, you want separatism and thus you’re leaving politics altogether, and going for Utopian beliefs e.g. ethnofuturism.

I don’t have a problem with any race wanting to be separatist. Good for you, to me it’s just a tribe wanting their own range, which is a basic need.

I would really mistrust a separatist movement that wanted to close off its citizens to alt views, e.g. blocking other religions.

I also don’t see how Christian separatism could work, l mean what laws would you have? Hopefully not the OT, for one thing sons shouldn’t sodomoise their dads and a virgin’s actual rape should not be worrth a mere $500-$800 fine (20 shekels of silver however much that actually is now). Also the entire thing about massacring non-believers inc. their babies and cattle. And dashing babies against rocks to kill them. I could go on. So you see, i don’t get how it would work.

Also, you say Rightism = Morality. I said the opposite on my thread.

Right = blood and soil = abject materialsim. At least, far right is that. Centrism is closer to morality, that’s why l touted centre left, champagne socialism.

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What the frick? Who on the right is saying that?

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@MagsJ
@RealUn
@ProfessorX
@niallm12

My political conservatism is very different from the mainstream.

I just want communism, Marxism, nationalism, and a society revolving around social or cultural conservative values.

A conservative society that is also pro working class.

:clown_face:

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Not sure why you tagged me @MrAuthoritarian.. but please, do continue..

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In line with my reply to your other thread about the left, or liberals, I can’t remember which one….

Just keep prioritizing abortion over adoption, and the lack of the ability to sexually reproduce will get the job done.

…or maybe it’s OK to stop culturally MISappropriating the opposite gender’s preferences?

But if we wanna get picky about who raises our kids into strong family values, maybe we should take a hard look at ourselves in the mirror and stop getting divorced because we’re assholes to each other (which we also stop doing). You know, stuff like feeding sexual (& other) addictions and having emotional affairs? …especially if we claim to have a relationship with the Creator, who we supposedly believe saved us from all that bullshit.

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