What is the end game for Liberals?

Just as I asked for a conservative ‘‘end game’’ I also
ask, what is the liberal end game, what is the goal
of liberalism? Now these following remarks are not all
Liberals, just one, me… for I can’t speak for all Liberals…

If I were to say what the Liberal Utopia might look like,
I would be remiss if I didn’t point out that even Utopia or
paradise would only be a temporary thing… for example,
Marx’s Utopia, would be when the working class rise up
and takes over the means of production… for him, Marx,
that would be the end of history…but the truth is that moment,
one that very likely will never happen, is but a moment, and then
a new moment will come to overcome this state of affairs that
the working class has the means of production…
for inherent within every single situation, comes the next
situation… for me, that taking over the means of production,
that so called Utopia, is but for a moment and what comes after that?
or to say this in another manner, history doesn’t stop at moments,
for the very next second, comes a different moment… the next moment…
and after the worker’s winning the battle will come another moment,
that changes the ‘‘Utopia’’ into something else… there is no final moment
where history ends, stops, become one with itself… so after democracy
wins the political battle, the next phase comes right after it… there is
no final solution… just the next phase…and what comes after the
Worker’s Utopia? I have no idea, I just know it is but a moment,
and the moment is gone…and we have moved on…to the next
phase of ‘‘history’’…
and this is important to note, as the minute my Utopia begins,
the next stage, the next moment will come and the Utopia is gone…
there are no final moments, just the latest moment which will change
quickly…One must keep this in mind when thinking about my own
‘‘paradise’’ “Utopia” it is here but in a minute and the next step will
happen and whoosh, my Utopia is gone… Just remember that…

I fight for divisertity… I believe that the state/nation does better when
it is diverse…one often reads how a ‘‘diverse state’’ brings about
issues because it limits White births… the white is right crowd,
is always shouting about how white will become a minority because
of minorities taking over… Japan is as a homogeneous society/state
as there is and yet, it has some real birth rate problems:

AI; for Japan’s birth rate has plunged to record lows, with 2024 births falling below 700,000 for the first time since 1899, marking a 5.7% decrease to 686,061. The fertility rate dropped to 1.15 in 2024, driven by a shrinking population, fewer marriages, high living costs, and a, demanding work-life balance. This “silent emergency” projects a population decline from 124 million to 87 million by 2070

K: Japan has probably the least diversified society/state in the world,
and yet, it too, is suffering from birth rate issues… wherein lies the
problem, outside of immigration, they have no real way to correct their
current imbalance problem of falling birth rates… what other suggestions
would one make to increase Japan’s falling birth rate outside of immigration?
force people to have babies? I would suggest that won’t end well…
not much different than China and its one birth laws of years ago…
and how did that end up for China?

So, for my Utopia/Paradise, I would have diversity… but part of
my Utopia/Paradise lies in its overcoming the prejudice of
race, color of one’s skin, religion, or sexual orientation…

For when I met a person, I don’t care about race or the color of
one’s skin, nationality, sex or sexual orientation…
I simply see a human being who happens to be white or female
or gay or French… this other stuff, of race and skin color
doesn’t matter to me because that is not how I define
a human being…by race or color or nationality or being gay…
I just see a human being…a human being that has the same
needs, both bodily and psychologically, as I do…
I need food, water, shelter, safety/security, a sense of
belonging, and of course, both a physical and a psychological
need of love… if there is a universal need of human beings, it
is love… it is a lack of love that fills the bars, fills the prisons,
and leads to violence and hatred… seeking out love,
that might be the one universal constant we have…

In my Utopia, our needs, both physical and psychological needs
are met, fulfilled… and that is a priority in the state/society…

‘‘that all men are created equal’’

means that we, as best we can, meet the needs of all human beings,
because all human beings are equal and needs and desire the basics
of existence, which is food, water, shelter, education, health care,
love, self-esteem, and a sense of belonging…

the point of existence in my world is not to gain the trinkets of
existence, money, titles, material possessions, power and fame…
those are pointless and even more important, they are
meaningless… they have no value in our modern day state/society…

In my paradise, there is not gay pride or national pride or race pride,
for those things are irrelevant, they have no value… what is valuable
is what kind of person you are, are you a good person, are you an
evil person, the color of your skin matters very little compared
to the quality of your person… what counts is your faith,
what counts is your kindness, what counts is, are you a good person?
the point of existence is not to become rich but to work for
‘‘ad Meliora’’ toward the better… are you working both individually
and collectively toward the better? That is my ideal person…
and my ideal state/society… are we working toward the better?
This can be as small as picking up some trash on the side of the road
to becoming the next Einstein and finding some new rules/laws
of nature that gives us more information about what it means to be
human… the path of existence is meant for us to become better,
to become a better father, (something I don’t always succeed at)
to be a better husband, (again, a work in progress) but also
to be a better human being… (another work in progress)
and the goal is not to make life harder for others, but to
make life worth living, the idea of struggle as being ‘‘good’’
for people, is only marginally right… but we can transfer that
economic or political struggle into the struggle to become
a better human being… the quality of my being human,
has nothing to do with wealth or power or fame, but it has
to do with what it means to be human…

The second state to note is that all human beings, ALL HUMAN BEINGS,
have the potential/the possibility to become who they are…
My potential/possibilities are becoming limited because of
my age, 67… I can’t run anymore, thus my earlier in life goal
of breaking the mile record, is no longer a possibility…I can’t
rock climb like I did 40 years ago, those possibilities are no longer
there… I am physically limited these days… and so, those possibilities
are no longer there… but I still have possibilities left to me,
to become a great philosopher, I still have that possibility left to me…
I can still travel or learn a language, those are achievable goals
for me… and that is the point, to become what is possible for us…
for some, it is possible to become a great scientist, or write
the great American Novel… and they should have the opportunity
to at least attempt what is possible for them…
and so, that is part of my paradise, in which people can attempt
to achieve their own possibilties… to become who they are…

For me, that is a valuable part of being human…
to become who you are…it isn’t about seeking out wealth or
fame or material possessions, but about becoming who one is…
that is the goal… and what our ideal society/state should look like…
a state/society where it is not only possible but is expected for us to
become who we are… to achieve what is possible for us to achieve…

the next point is about being ‘‘WOKE’’ I hold that to be very
important… in my ideal state/society, we do treat people with
dignity and respect and grace and honor… regardless what color
their skin is or what religion they are or what their nationality is…
for those accidental traits are not how we judge people, but we
judge people on the valuable traits of love, justice, dignity
and respect…if you treat people with those ‘‘WOKE’’ values,
you too are treated that way… it, to a certain extent, is how
we are supposed to treat people and in return, how we expect
to be treated… the only way I can be treated with ‘‘WOKE’’
values, is as other human beings should be treated, I should treat them
equally…

For in my ideal state/society, there is no bigotry, prejudice,
hated based on accidental traits… of skin color or race or
nationality…

and that is some of what I want in my ideal state/society…
people being treated equal… but I also want the value
of Justice being practiced… for in my mind, the single most
important value in any state or society is the practice of Justice…
and the word Justice, is another word for equality… we should be
treated equally, with justice in all aspects of our state/society…
legally, politically, socially, economically, and philosophically…
if there were one word to describe my ideal state/society, that
word would be Justice… or the treating of people equally,
regardless of their accidental traits…

Kropotkin

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I didn’t read that much, but do you want people being treated equal or equal outcomes for how the people are treated? Those are very different

Plus, would that society be constituted by humans, with all the characteristics humans have? (For example, bigotry)

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At least encourage it by supporting healthy families and adoptions (stop demanding overwork for underpay)… and stop glorifying the choice of infanticide.

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Interesting, Interesting.

Looking forward to reading replies here.

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