What is unnatural science?

what is it? What does it examine? What does it know?

this should be easy.

what is unnatural?

I dont like when someone is questioning me, but I will try my best , to put it in a scientifial way.

What is unnatural?
When a seed sprouts, you assume it will mature into some defined being.
But sudden it matures but fades and starts to die, never reaching to that fated and defined state.

What just happen? I would be pleased if you can tell me the conditions in terms of human beings.

A good teacher is to teach their students to be good. A good world brings forth good beings. But if he turns opposite, that would be unnatural. How does this occured? Unless you would then question me what is good?

Why do you assume nature is benevolent?

That seems more unnatural to me.

“science” itself is nothing more than the investigation and study of a subject. therefore you would be able to have a ‘science’ of anything at all.

but what is unnatural science? i take it to mean ‘the study of actions that are contrary to what our perception understands as its natural states and abilities.’

an example of the sort would be a known and common mammal morphing itself into a completely different one without any influence that we comprehend effects the dna structure. we would instinctually say that the dna of this mammal was not natural to change as it did.

what xunzian said, but in other words, why would this be unnatural?

conditions limiting and restricting, in order to isolated the subject or stop its growth to take on its full maturity.
ex. viruses and diseases, halted their slow growth by certain chemicals that are injected by doctors.

but I don’t like to talk about these things, what I am interested are human beings.

What keeps human beings unpure? OR is purity is not the main object for human beings?

Define purity.

Do we start pure, or is it acquired? Is it not so much attained, as it is an absence of taint? Did we start tainted, or is it acquired?

This isn’t science, it’s metaphysics.

But if you want to rock that, I’m down.

My definition of purity, hmmm…
Something that does not ruin others nor dishonors alike,
something that brings delight by the sound and sometimes to the sight

the definition would go purity is a element that does not require thinking , you just know it, thats pure in the mind, but for the body to be pure it must be clean and disease and virus free.
ex: of this purity is, when we see a friend or not, getting beat up by a gang, we stop and think should I help him; while, if we see our mother getting beat up, we do not need to think we just do

If I say we started pure, then purity is innate. IF I say it must be required then I am a lunatic. So I say, purity was started when we existed, its only the things that we go through life that makes us impure. purity is defined as goodness.

We have a winner.

Is it not metaphysics is something we cannot observe?
If so, how do you know it is metaphysics?

natural - belonging to nature

Is there anything that doesn’t belong to nature?

There must be, for why would the word “unnatural” come about?

superstition? :slight_smile:

Religion? :slight_smile:

I understand both supersitition and religion. But what I do not understand is the smiley face which you both attached at the end of your comment.

Even if something that has never happened before in the universe, lets say all stars die all at once, it doesn’t make this unnatural. It just means that every 15 billion years[?] the stars die out. It’s never happened before but it doesn’t make it unnatural. Induction can be a bitch sometimes.

anything that can be found in nature, belongs to it:

things grow in nature.
things die in nature.
others are killed.
some are diseased.
others mutated/evolved.
stars are born and collapse.
universes created and imploded.

all of these things happen “in nature” and so “belong” to nature.
yet there are elements that do not occur in nature. certain amounts of protons, neutrons and electrons just don’t naturally combine together. likewise for certain formations of elements combining into molecules. some just don’t naturally occur without the interference from human beings.

some argue that what we create has to be natural because we are natural. how could something natural create something unnatural? well, by twisting the laws of nature into performing an operation that it would never have done on its own. that is where i, personally, draw the line. where do you draw yours?

If a monkey does it, is it still unnatural, or does this only apply to people? Nature never does anything on its own. Nature is us creating atomic bombs, nature is a monkey taking a dump in the forest, nature is a sun dying out, etc. There is no such thing as unnatural.

The line you’re drawing is a fabrication; it imposes a false reality in which humans do not exist. That is, I understand the point you’re making - that anything nature couldn’t do without our ‘help’ is ‘unnatural’ - but you cannot plausibly ignore we’re also part of nature, and that the concept itself includes our ability to manipulate it. Put another way: the manipulation of nature is still a ‘natural’ occurance; there is nothing that takes place ‘outside’ of nature.