broadly speaking??
but narrowly enough to believe the state would actually “wither away” on its own, eh?
don’t you think that something of that importance warrants more than broad consideration
you know
to avoid the possibility that the fucking thing doesn’t fucking wither away
and instead becomes an autocracy?
does it come as a surprise to you, then, in the light of this
that a thread about “what marxism really is”
is filled with examples of what happens
when you take a “broadly” conceived idea
and apply it to the real world?
it doesn’t take much to imagine
but if you lack imagination, history can give you a lot of examples
take the Paris commune for example
let’s use that since this thread is about what marxism really is
and he loved the fuck out of that commune
he wanted his communism to be based on it
first there’s the violent revolution, of course
next thing to do is to declare that their militia is the only one that can exist
and compulsorily enroll every male into it
then send them out to battle without any planning whatsoever
sure that the government wouldn’t shoot its own citizens
then when they’re captured and executed
they realize they need to also do some executin’
that’ll show them
“to each of us you execute, we’ll execute 3!”
cuz that makes perfect sense
this time for real the government won’t shoot its own citizens
what’s a socialist with two black eyes?
of course
those 3 they were executing in retaliation had to come from somewhere
they couldn’t just kill their own
… could they?
dude, just pass a law
anyone accused of cumplicity with the government can be jailed
there you go
you just have to accuse them
and then give them a trial
where you judge them
then you can send them to the gulag to await their execution
oh wait, I may have mixed up the terms here a bit
that doesn’t sound french
eerily familiar though
just as the religious persecution
depredation of cultural and historical heritage
the gross disregard for human life
and all encompassing stupidity and incompetence
but phoneutria cmon
that’s not what marxism really is
it was just a poorly executed model
surely marx perfected it
marx is a genius
he can take that fucking mess
that managed to sustain itself for all of 3 months
apply some of his pixie dust on it
and call it “the form at last discovered”
removed all of its flaws I am sure
broadly speaking
that “form at last discovered”
small face to face groups of real people like you and me
sending representatives to comittees
sending representatives to higher up comittees
that’s what soviet means, right?
i’m no expert, you tell me
how do you get those groups to not be completely controlled by your own party members?
how do you get those groups to not form power hierarchies
since people are actually different from one another, as it turns out
i’m no expert, you tell me
I probably never even read marx
but I can tell that some people are more assertive than others
others are more charismatic, or better speakers
how does that not become a tyranny on its own
from its own lack of structure
it’s lack of an electorally formed body of legistature and action
performing checks and balances on one-another
I mean, I’m no expert
but instead you just have… people who speak loudest
going up against one another
until one of them speaks loudest of all
I’m no expert, you tell me
you fucking tell me, karl
is it because property was abolished?
and the only means to exert power now is through becoming a party member
that the state withers away?
walk me through that logic with your big man brain
i only have a little woman brain
i don’t understand it
even if you take that aside
in your own somewhat understated admission
that protecting property is not the only role of the state
just like every problem in society is not a matter of class
there are things that transcend class
such as a nation’s sense of identity
it doesn’t matter if you are rich or poor
you share a language, a history, a sense of home
the state is built around that
not around class struggle
but around a people’s desire to extend rights and responsibilities within its territory
and shut the outsiders out
in fact, some of the biggest changes in the structure of state historically
was the formation and maintaining of armies
to protect a territory against the attack nomadic peoples coming in to plunder their towns
in a way you can call that property protection
but that is not class struggle
that’s keeping the savagery out of the place where you raise your children
but of course yall avid readers of karl marx will tell me
that a sense of identity, patriotism, an artistic inclination
a religion with its symbols
all of those things are tools of manipulation from the oppressing class, right?
always struck me as contradictory
how the entire motivation behind socialism is for the little man to be heard
but at the same time
the little man is worth so little
it’s an afterthought
to sent countless of them to their deaths
civilians, men and women
“sacrifice for your ideals”
for someone so hell bent on bringing the worker class to power
to reduce each individual person
to being nothing but a worker
just a gear in a machine
you don’t need art, you don’t need religion, you barely need an education
all you need is a hammer!
those Paris commune guys
they tried to burn down the Louvre
the fucking Louvre, karl!
the way marx was so frank about wanting to abolish the family
to erase history and tradition
to burn down priceless works of art that touch at the very core of humanity
all of the things that lift our spirits
take everything that we love, and destroy it
because the “individual” must “be swept out of the way, and made impossible.”
only then we can all be equal
equally expendable
“religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature,
the heart of a heartless world,
and the soul of soulless conditions”
thus he sought to remove the heart and the soul of the oppressed creature
the penalty in soviet russia for teaching your kids to pray was 10 years of forced labor
prostitution was 3 years
solzhenitsyn wrote that many heads of family renounced their faith so that they could raise their children
while their wifes could go to forced labor for refusing to renounce their faith
little old ladies were particularly stubborn about that
but that’s not what real marxism is, right?
I mean, I’m quoting him direcly
but that’s not what real marxism is, somehow
the thing that really stares at me, personally
when reading marx
is that it’s not just incredibly misguided
not just overly simplistic
it’s downright poisonous
it’s a philosophy of death
it’s malevolent
it’s absolutely no wonder to me that it destroys everything it touches
it’s all there in his writing
lenin, stalin, and mao didn’t write this shit
it was marx and his buddy engels
this is what marxism really is
in my reading of it
so after all this fucking typing
i hope that answer your question:
everything
