What Obama really said tonight

Tonight I heard a speech. He didn’t talk about red states or blue states.
he didn’t talk about our differences and he didn’t talk about the wide divide between
the left and the right. He didn’t paint an unrealistic picture.
He didn’t offer the stars or the sun or the moon as our prize.
He didn’t divide us into black or white or yellow.

What did he offer us?

He offered us hope.
He offered us one country.
He offered us a new opportunity.
He did not offer us two nations, but one.
He offer us one country, one people, one hope.
That we are America.

He offered us a vision of America
not the fear and smear of the last 8 years
but a vision of possibilities.
He said, yes we can
instead of
no, we can’t.

For the first time, in a long time,
we have seen the future, instead of the past
and that is what we voted for

yes, we can.

Kropotkin

[i]Tonight I heard a speech. He didn’t talk about red states or blue states.
he didn’t talk about our differences and he didn’t talk about the wide divide between
the left and the right. He didn’t paint an unrealistic picture.
He didn’t offer the stars or the sun or the moon as our prize.
He didn’t divide us into black or white or yellow.

What did he offer us?

He offered us hope.
He offered us one country.
He offered us a new opportunity.
He did not offer us two nations, but one.
He offer us one country, one people, one hope.
That we are America.

He offered us a vision of America
not the fear and smear of the last 8 years
but a vision of possibilities.
He said, yes we can
instead of
no, we can’t.

For the first time, in a long time,
we have seen the future, instead of the past
and that is what we voted for

yes, we can.[/i]

Beautiful.

I understand your enthusiasm, and sincerely hope Obama will try his best to represent the feelings of all the people who elected him. Some years ago something apparently impossible happened in Brazil too: a semi-literate ‘working class hero’ was elected President, after almost two decades fighting the “system” and appointing its flaws. What he did after his election surprised few, and disappointed many. Today he’s popular because our economics is working well (at least for a while), but many still see him as a complete political impostor.

Maybe Obama will be able to show that he is the hero Americans were waiting for, maybe not. What I know for sure is that what Americans showed the world yesterday was their almost incredible passion for democracy, something completely unknown to a Brazilian, since my fellow men didn’t even really believe that democracy does exist, although they sometimes express a feeling that it should or could. We vote mechanically, without hope or even any great expectation, we are devoid of any certainty about our being ‘represented’ by any politician, about our being citizens of a nation, or an important part of it period. It was a fantastic example to every people in this world, and this time no irony is meant.

You weren’t paying attention. He’s merely good at hypnotizing people with promises of hope and change and mindless rhetoric like “yes we can”, but under the surface he’s more corrupt than Clinton was. We’ve already seen how he treats his opponents, and it will only get much worse once he’s president. People in the public eye are already afraid to criticize him, any satire will be automatically be branded as racist. It will only take the stroke of a pen for Obama to reinstate “the fairness doctrine” killing talk radio–and most of the people who voted for him will applaud. Rampant voter fraud in this election (investigate? why?!) will be unstoppable by the next and all the useful idiots will simply cheer.

And the leftists at Google will clamp down on the Internet here like they did in China. Then people will start to wonder, but by then it will be too late. We will redistribute our wealth into oblivion and the pockets of the elite. It will eventually dawn on us how we’d come to take freedom for granted.

We just voted to curse ourselves.

Congratulations Kropotkin, you won but we all lost.

I really wish people had some kind of evidence to support their outlandish claims, but alas, they do not.

What more should I expect from half of America who believes Jesus is going to thunder his way out of the clouds in our lifetime and that our future can be told by the stars.

Only been laying it out as fast as you can ignore for the last year.

No need to be insulting. I don’t subscribe to any such faith any more than I believe in your similarly blind faith in socialism or a proven phony like Obama. I imagine you’ll ignore this too.

Great OP Peter!

A new dawn and new hope for a nation that has the power to change the whole world and not just itself.

Obama is the right man in the right place in the right circumstance at the right moment in time. With his ancestral roots in Africa, enriched by generations of colonial pioneering blood, he is at the advance of conscious evolution.

Timing and circumstance are always bigger than the man.

There have been four mass changes of human consciousness in the past.
The hunter evolved into a farmer, who evolved into an industrial craftsman, who evolved into a scientific technologist and who is now on the verge of evolving into a planet manager.

First order of business is to clean up the pollution left behind by an Age of nation building and industrial development. We desperately need a good health policy. Polluted air, water and earth is at the core of our health problems. We must begin with the gradual of “banning all combustion of fossil fuels” (BACOFF) and keep the momentum of moden civilization running on sustainable energy and the necessary power source to propel human consciousness into the Nuclear Age.

Obama’s biggest hurdle?
Finding Money!!!

Money is an entirely artificial barrier hampering human advancement and efficient planet stewardship. Obama will never find enough money to get done what needs to be done.
The latest fiasco on the stock market reveals that we have been sucked into a destructive cycle of using money just to make more money, instead of investing in planet management. As the full extent of the money melt-down becomes known (some say a $60 trillion hole) it might be the exact trigger needed to make people realize that placing our trust in printed promisary notes is not worth the paper it is printed on.

Human Trust has to return to our belief in ourselves and the fundamental ethics that lie at the core of the human soul and the will to put one’s best into whatever we do,

Our Assests
We have the man-power with a built-in work ethic and naturall ingenuity.
We have the advanced technology for sustainable planet managment
We have the natural resources to engage in large scale global stewardshiop projects
We have the urgent need as the planet heats up

Our liability
The barrier of money.

The dichotomy of perspectives between left and right exhibited here is remarkable. The beginning of objectivity would be to recognize that to the other side one’s own view must appear as skewed as their’s does to one’s self. That would open one to the beginning of philosophy. If we don’t do that, what we have here is not philosophy but another example of the culture war in the raw.

It is easy to see how the other side selects the data it wishes to see and ignores the rest. It is harder to recognize and admit to oneself that one has done the same thing.

I’ll come out now and say I’m neither left nor right. I will not claim that Obama is going to fix all of our problems, or that he’d be a better president than McCain. Frankly, I don’t know, and I don’t see how anybody else could unless McCain and Obama ran simultaneously, which is impossible. So really, the only way we’ll know if Obama is a good president is to wait until he’s done serving his term, then wait a couple of decades to see what effect his presidency has on our country. How anybody can claim anything without the above taking place with such certainty is beyond me.

So because you’ve been laying it out, it’s true? It seems even the most educated in the political world are divided, which to me says that nobody really has a “right” answer, only predictions that may or may not come true. And I’m talking about claims like this:

Why is Clinton the standard of corruption you use to judge by, as opposed to say Nixon, or any other president throughout history for that matter. And tell me why you can see “under the surface,” when nobody else can. I’m assuming it’s because you think everybody is blinded by Obama’s rhetoric, as opposed to the less obvious option: there is no conspiracy, he’s not corrupt, etc. If I’m proven wrong, I’ll be the first to admit it.

Another prediction for which I’m sure little to no evidence exists to support. If you’re right, you’ll be at most hailed as a prophet, and at least as a lucky guesser. But if you’re wrong, will you remember that you were wrong, or simply make another prediction about when and how the U.S. as we know it is coming to a disastrous end?

Hi PK,

You don’t know me but I used to do a lot of lurking around KDH. I remember how upset you were eight years ago when Bush defeated Gore. Been a long time. Now we’ve finally come to this… and yet, it seems at least to me that time just flies. :smiley:

peace

It’s easy to understand the ideological differences. Just read this one, from last night…

"If there is anyone out there who still doubts that America is a place where all things are possible; who still wonders if the dream of our founders is alive in our time; who still questions the power of our democracy, tonight is your answer.

Its the answer told by lines that stretched around schools and churches in numbers this nation has never seen; by people who waited three hours and four hours, many for the very first time in their lives, because they believed that this time must be different; that their voice could be that difference.

It’s the answer spoken by young and old, rich and poor, Democrat and Republican, black, white, Latino, Asian, Native American, gay, straight, disabled and not disabled - Americans who sent a message to the world that we have never been a collection of Red States and Blue States: we are, and always will be, the United States of America.

Its the answer that led those who have been told for so long by so many to be cynical, and fearful, and doubtful of what we can achieve to put their hands on the arc of history and bend it once more toward the hope of a better day.
Its been a long time coming, but tonight, because of what we did on this day, in this election, at this defining moment, change has come to America.

I was never the likeliest candidate for this office. We didn’t start with much money or many endorsements. Our campaign was not hatched in the halls of Washington - it began in the backyards of Des Moines and the living rooms of Concord and the front porches of Charleston.

It was built by working men and women who dug into what little savings they had to give five dollars and ten dollars and twenty dollars to this cause. It grew strength from the young people who rejected the myth of their generations apathy; who left their homes and their families for jobs that offered little pay and less sleep; from the not-so-young people who braved the bitter cold and scorching heat to knock on the doors of perfect strangers; from the millions of Americans who volunteered, and organized, and proved that more than two centuries later, a government of the people, by the people and for the people has not perished from this Earth. This is your victory.

I know you didn’t do this just to win an election and I know you didn’t do it for me. You did it because you understand the enormity of the task that lies ahead. For even as we celebrate tonight, we know the challenges that tomorrow will bring are the greatest of our lifetime - two wars, a planet in peril, the worst financial crisis in a century. Even as we stand here tonight, we know there are brave Americans waking up in the deserts of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan to risk their lives for us. There are mothers and fathers who will lie awake after their children fall asleep and wonder how theyll make the mortgage, or pay their doctors bills, or save enough for college. There is new energy to harness and new jobs to be created; new schools to build and threats to meet and alliances to repair.

The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep. We may not get there in one year or even one term, but America - I have never been more hopeful than I am tonight that we will get there. I promise you - we as a people will get there.
There will be setbacks and false starts. There are many who won’t agree with every decision or policy I make as President, and we know that government can’t solve every problem. But I will always be honest with you about the challenges we face. I will listen to you, especially when we disagree. And above all, I will ask you join in the work of remaking this nation the only way its been done in America for two-hundred and twenty-one years - block by block, brick by brick, calloused hand by calloused hand.

What began twenty-one months ago in the depths of winter must not end on this autumn night. This victory alone is not the change we seek - it is only the chance for us to make that change. And that cannot happen if we go back to the way things were. It cannot happen without you.

So let us summon a new spirit of patriotism; of service and responsibility where each of us resolves to pitch in and work harder and look after not only ourselves, but each other. Let us remember that if this financial crisis taught us anything, it’s that we cannot have a thriving Wall Street while Main Street suffers - in this country, we rise or fall as one nation; as one people.

Let us resist the temptation to fall back on the same partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long. Let us remember that it was a man from this state who first carried the banner of the Republican Party to the White House - a party founded on the values of self-reliance, individual liberty, and national unity. Those are values we all share, and while the Democratic Party has won a great victory tonight, we do so with a measure of humility and determination to heal the divides that have held back our progress. As Lincoln said to a nation far more divided than ours, We are not enemies, but friends…though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. And to those Americans whose support I have yet to earn - I may not have won your vote, but I hear your voices, I need your help, and I will be your President too.

And to all those watching tonight from beyond our shores, from parliaments and palaces to those who are huddled around radios in the forgotten corners of our world - our stories are singular, but our destiny is shared, and a new dawn of American leadership is at hand. To those who would tear this world down - we will defeat you. To those who seek peace and security - we support you. And to all those who have wondered if Americas beacon still burns as bright - tonight we proved once more that the true strength of our nation comes not from our the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals: democracy, liberty, opportunity, and unyielding hope.

For that is the true genius of America - that America can change. Our union can be perfected. And what we have already achieved gives us hope for what we can and must achieve tomorrow.

This election had many firsts and many stories that will be told for generations. But one thats on my mind tonight is about a woman who cast her ballot in Atlanta. Shes a lot like the millions of others who stood in line to make their voice heard in this election except for one thing - Ann Nixon Cooper is 106 years old.

She was born just a generation past slavery; a time when there were no cars on the road or planes in the sky; when someone like her couldn’t vote for two reasons - because she was a woman and because of the color of her skin.
And tonight, I think about all that she’s seen throughout her century in America - the heartache and the hope; the struggle and the progress; the times we were told that we can’t, and the people who pressed on with that American creed: Yes we can.

At a time when women’s voices were silenced and their hopes dismissed, she lived to see them stand up and speak out and reach for the ballot. Yes we can.
When there was despair in the dust bowl and depression across the land, she saw a nation conquer fear itself with a New Deal, new jobs and a new sense of common purpose. Yes we can.

When the bombs fell on our harbor and tyranny threatened the world, she was there to witness a generation rise to greatness and a democracy was saved. Yes we can.

She was there for the buses in Montgomery, the hoses in Birmingham, a bridge in Selma, and a preacher from Atlanta who told a people that We Shall Overcome. Yes we can.

A man touched down on the moon, a wall came down in Berlin, a world was connected by our own science and imagination. And this year, in this election, she touched her finger to a screen, and cast her vote, because after 106 years in America, through the best of times and the darkest of hours, she knows how America can change. Yes we can.

America, we have come so far. We have seen so much. But there is so much more to do. So tonight, let us ask ourselves - if our children should live to see the next century; if my daughters should be so lucky to live as long as Ann Nixon Cooper, what change will they see? What progress will we have made?

This is our chance to answer that call. This is our moment. This is our time - to put our people back to work and open doors of opportunity for our kids; to restore prosperity and promote the cause of peace; to reclaim the American Dream and reaffirm that fundamental truth - that out of many, we are one; that while we breathe, we hope, and where we are met with cynicism, and doubt, and those who tell us that we can’t, we will respond with that timeless creed that sums up the spirit of a people: Yes We Can."

Then read this one, from 4 years ago…

"There’s an old saying, “Do not pray for tasks equal to your powers; pray for powers equal to your tasks.”

In four historic years, America has been given great tasks and faced them with strength and courage.

Our people have restored the vigor of this economy and shown resolve and patience in a new kind of war.

Our military has brought justice to the enemy and honor to America.
Our nation – Our nation has defended itself and served the freedom of all mankind. I’m proud to lead such an amazing country, and I am proud to lead it forward.

Because we have done the hard work, we are entering a season of hope. We’ll continue our economic progress. (ed. note: oops, my bad!)

We’ll reform our outdated tax code. We’ll strengthen the Social Security for the next generation.

We’ll make public schools all they can be, and we will uphold our deepest values of family and faith.

We’ll help the emerging democracies of Iraq and Afghanistan, so they can grow in strength and defend their freedom, and then our servicemen and women will come home with the honor they have earned.

With good allies at our side, we will fight this war on terror with every resource of our national power, so our children can live in freedom and in peace.

Reaching these goals will require the broad support of Americans, so today I want to speak to every person who voted for my opponent. To make this nation stronger and better, I will need your support and I will work to earn it. I will do all I can do to deserve your trust.

A new term is a new opportunity to reach out to the whole nation. We have one country, one constitution, and one future that binds us. And when we come together and work together, there is no limit to the greatness of America.

Let me close with a word to the people of the state of Texas. We have known each other the longest, and you started me on this journey. On the open plains of Texas, I first learned the character of our country – sturdy and honest, and as hopeful as the break of day. I will always be grateful to the good people of my State. And whatever the road that lies ahead, that road will take me home.
A campaign has ended, and the United States of America goes forward with confidence and faith.

I see a great day coming for our country, and I am eager for the work ahead."

As my girlfriend (who voted for McCain) admitted last night:

Obama has one hell of a speech writer.

The Paineful Truth:
You weren’t paying attention. He’s merely good at hypnotizing people with promises of hope and change and mindless rhetoric like “yes we can”, but under the surface he’s more corrupt than Clinton was. We’ve already seen how he treats his opponents, and it will only get much worse once he’s president. People in the public eye are already afraid to criticize him, any satire will be automatically be branded as racist. It will only take the stroke of a pen for Obama to reinstate “the fairness doctrine” killing talk radio–and most of the people who voted for him will applaud. Rampant voter fraud in this election (investigate? why?!) will be unstoppable by the next and all the useful idiots will simply cheer.

K: Feel free to offer us some proof for any of your accusations. You are so blinded by your cynicism you are unable to see what really happened.
He ran a far more positive race then any of his opponents. Clinton went negative and lost, McCain went negative and lost. I am old and have seen
many elections and the way the campaign goes, goes the governing. The campaign forecast how one tends to govern and you can see that
effect especially with soon to be gone bush.

As far as voter fraud goes, after the GOP stole the last two elections, I think calling foul now is rather silly.
And as for the “fairness doctrine” my guess is you don’t even know what it is.

PT: And the leftists at Google will clamp down on the Internet here like they did in China. Then people will start to wonder, but by then it will be too late. We will redistribute our wealth into oblivion and the pockets of the elite. It will eventually dawn on us how we’d come to take freedom for granted.

K: what a mishmash of thoughts. OK,the Internet is safe until we do something stupid like tax it or create a
multi payer system (pay to play system)on it just like the GOP want.

Any time you time you tax or cut taxes, you are redistributing the wealth and such foes as Adam Smith and Karl Marx both
argue for a progressive tax system. We redistribute wealth all the time and have done so for over 70 years, and it has
work out pretty well so far. It is not a new idea, only young people who don’t know anything, thinks its new.

PT: We just voted to curse ourselves.
Congratulations Kropotkin, you won but we all lost"

K: Your confusion stems from not understanding what was at stake and what the cost of the last 8 years has been.
I won nothing. WE HAVE ALL WON. We have begun the process of taking the power back into the people’s hands.
You have argue for a system that is anti-democratic, anti-american and anti-freedom.
Obama is in the forefront of the next wave of true democracy, where the voice of the majority,
(not the minority of the last 8 years) but the majority of american’s will be heard again. A democracy
is 50% plus one. During the bush years the voices heard were of the minority of the wealthy and ultra-religious.
That is what we won.

Kropotkin

Did you miss what I said about Google and China?

Oh hell yes. They passed the income tax in 1912, and promised that it would be very limited. Whatever. I don’t like the intrusive infrastructure needed to enforce it alone, but the top 5% of income earners paying 37% is absurd, immoral, restricts growth, employment and forces emigration of jobs (among other stuff).
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Peter Kropotkin: what a mishmash of thoughts. OK,the Internet is safe until we do something stupid like tax it or create a multi payer system (pay to play system)on it just like the GOP want."

PT: Did you miss what I said about Google and China?

K: Yep, AND? I don’t recall america being the dictatorship that china is.

K: Any time you time you tax or cut taxes, you are redistributing the wealth and such foes as Adam Smith and Karl Marx both
argue for a progressive tax system. We redistribute wealth all the time and have done so for over 70 years, and it has
work out pretty well so far. It is not a new idea, only young people who don’t know anything, thinks its new.
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PT: Oh hell yes. They passed the income tax in 1912, and promised that it would be very limited. Whatever. I don’t like the intrusive infrastructure needed to enforce it alone, but the top 5% of income earners paying 37% is absurd, immoral, restricts growth, employment and forces emigration of jobs (among other stuff)."

K: actually, they had income tax during the civil war and again during the 1890’s and then finally in 1913,
(and only affecting the top 5% of americans) which they reduced in 1920 or 21. That intrusive infrastructure you hate is what makes
america great. Trickle down economics don’t work and isn’t absurd, immoral, (immoral is letting the poor pay taxes while the rich
just hide their money in the cayman islands) it doesn’t restrict growth nor unemployment and doesn’t force anyone to take any jobs overseas.
There is no proof of any kind that higher taxes do what you claim they do.

Kropotkin

Hello? Reality check ?

A whole lot of countries with a more progressive tax than this have a stronger economy, much higher employment rates and much more high-tech high-education-level jobs than the US.

You probably don’t remember, but the reason that many countries started passing income tax in the early 20th century was to be able to drag about half their population out of extreme poverty. (Probably not in so many words though. :unamused: )

And you are responding to it like he’s Black Jesus…

If he didn’t talk about our differences, then he painted an unrealistic picture. The whole point of this great experiment in democracy is the ability to disagree.

BTW, he sorta told people like me who wouldn’t vote for an empty suit that “he needs our help… he’ll be our President to”.

Well good fucking luck w/ that chump.

The funny thing is the moon and the stars actually exist.

Are you about to tell me America is purple, like Obama’s lips… :wink:

Man that scares the crap out of me.

Of one thing I am convinced, after listening to the pseudo-intellectual disagreements about how to run a country on this and other forums, the only practical form of government that can transcend the endless distractions and gridlocks of argument and get people to shut up and get on with life, is a benevolent dictatorship. [-o<

It’s idiotic to call Obama a socialist. Especially after Bush just ramrodded the biggest act of socialism in Western history with the bailout. Now that we’ve begun to redistribute the wealth of the general public to prop up crooked financial firms, every other shortsighted and disastrously run industry has come running to the trough. Look for more corporate welfare as tax money is funneled into the insurance and automobile industry. A trillion dollars, up in smoke, for nothing. Welfare for large corporations is fine, just so long as we make sure tax money isn’t wasted on making sure people have access to health care. =P~