Have any of you seen the film “what the bleep do we know?” and if so what are your philosophical thoughts about the ideas presented by it.
Cheers
DALE
I like the ideas a lot. The merging of psychology and quantum mechanics is important for our time. Kant took his insights gained from newtonian physics and added them to philosophy. I think the same needs to be done with quantum mechanics.
the philosophy that is most alligned with quantum mechanics, however, happens to be buddhist. there are some great reading materials on this:
The Dancing Wu-Li Masters, by Zukav
Alan Watts books in general
some people designate quantum mechanics plus philosophy as “new age” but i think that is both unfair and inaccurate.
thanks
Well somebody I know, in his salad days of philosophilia, would surreptitiously remove Alan Watts books from the philosophy section of the bookstore and put them in the new age section.
Perhaps we should hold off on developing a QED-friendly philosophy until we build that giant accelerator that might confirm SST, before wasting any motion. I have not seen the movie, but I intend to hate it when I do.
nice 420th post. very dogmatic and authoritative. already intend to dislike. thats the kind of open-mindedness i appreciate when i think of philosophy.
yes it was rude. i’m sorry but, no i’m not. i’m just tired of biases in philosophy. philosophy is supposed to be based on rational. biases are without rational.
ps: we can’t even confirm gravity.
I read the reviews and it didn’t appeal to me, a lot of people said it was new age-ish. But I was being flip. I actually look forward to seeing it. By the way, I don’t consider philosophy to require an open mind, but it does require a free and rational mind. There’s an important difference. There are certain things I’m just not open to on good, rational grounds. I’m not open to considering Himler’s point of view, for instance. You can’t preach open-mindedness and then pick and choose what you’re willing to give audience to. Alan Watts in just fine…i have a lot of his audio books. But it is simply not rigorously analytical…more like poetry/self-help in my estimation. I am one of the least biased people on this sight, so you may think you’re tired of me, but you’re not. In fact, you haven’t been around enough to be tired of anything in my opinion, mod or not. So save your sarcasm about my 420th post. Who do you think you are? Even if I did post something lacking merit at 420 posts, why bring my number of posts up? You really have a lot to learn. very low class. doesn’t befit a moderator.
who?
alan watts is a crackpot who is good at being a philosopher, very good.
new age writers are crackpots who are good at being religion.
It has depressed me that this has been moved to Mundane Babble.
This wasn’t a movie review thread, I was hoping for a decent discussion of the ideas and science presented in the film.
It’s like you philosophy geeks like pondering lifes big questions, but then when the answering of those questions become a real possibility you get scared. You don’t even want to go there. So if you don’t really want to know anything, what’s the point? Like I always suspected - most of the people in the forum like ‘showing off’ their intellect skills, but that’s all. What a waste.
This should be in the philosophy forum, and most of the other stuff that IS in there should be in mundane babble.
DALE
ps Thanks Alexistentialism for your decent post.
Well, since I didn’t see the film, I can’t talk about the science and philosophy in it. So maybe I should not have responded. (But I did say the idea of making a philoosphy for QED is jumping the gun because string theory aka the theory of everything seems somewhat impending. So what of that???
I WOULD like to discuss the film, and the philoosphy and science part of it you find compelling. My retorts were not strictly on topic, but they did touch upon what I think philospohy is and isn’t, and certainly you could react to those assertions calm-headedly, instead of ragging on my posting style. They should have moved it to Mundane Babies.
I am sorry though. I guess the line between philosophy and mundane babble is very thin for me. Always has been. For 22 years in school I NEVER SPOKE, cause I suspected people couldn’t handle it. (I also never studied, until I didn’t have to anymore.) Now, behind the safety of the screen I can let it fly, and I guess I just bleep everything up.
Gamer, no worries dude 
My previous post was not a personal insult to you, it was literally the words of a man who had a sunken heart due to the thread being moved to the babble department. I took it personally.
Unless you moved it (?), I don’t think the move was your fault. I think the entire subject scared somebody. That’s all.
I would love to discuss the idea further but at the moment I have no enthusiasm to do so. Maybe I’ll sneak some of the films points into other threads in the future…
Take it easy
DALE
Maybe if your question was more specific, taking an example of a theory from the movie and exploring it. But I’m the one who ignored your question and injected self-serving nonsense yet again, ruining another thread.
I think you should try again. Like it or not, that movie was an important moment in philosophy and science. Anything that attempts to reach the masses on behalf of these disciplines in important. The best philosophers should be out there trying to make people aware of the wonder, the questions, and the beauty of relating to questions in a “philosophical” way. The world seems, from my TV, to be very steeped in dogmatic plaque. There’s plenty of fun in sipping coffee and studying text with other academicians, or collecting figurines, or photographing old trains. But applied philosophy is where it’s at, and where is it? We need more movies like “What the bleep” and I ain’t talking no I Heart Huckabees either. That movie pissed me off. On second thought, it’s better than nothing.,
Thanks Gamer, nice post and appreciated.
I too believe that the film makers should at least get credit for trying to bring many complex issues and books into one accessible film. The ideas presented may not be totally complete yet - but this is something to work from. I really did feel the movie contained a big whiff of truth and we would be fools to totally disregard it out of hand. I look forward to seeing where that avenue of science leads…
Cheers
DALE