If religion or morality suppose to bring one fruit, how so? spreading the good news?
What is the fruit?
It seems to me the fruit is the products that one has made or achieved?
If we put the fruit as success. What is the seed of the success, how do you grow this seed, and where do you go pick this fruit, and how do you eat it?
I hope this is not too tough of a question.
What may I ask is your question? Do you want fruits or spirituality?
the best time to grow the seed is in the summer… whence the colder season is furthest away.
your question is actually quite simple and adequately answerd by my simple response.
Exactly… I’m not sure what he’s asking. If he wants spiritual ask about religious fruits of the spirit, if he wants to know about real fruits, he needs to try “better homes and gardens”.
don’t be stupid, its obvious he is not asking about spiritual fruits. its obvious he is asking about homes and gardens and healthy living.
monoq
It is funny when I read your diqloue it is like your avatar is speaking, the voice from that character in sesame street, funny and dull. 
I assure you this is false. It is not the season it is the climate. It may be cold up there but not down there.
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How? It is going to be a very long process. It is very hard work. Not all seekers are worthy of the fruit. One must be sincere. But sincerity is not the only requirement. One must study and prepare and remember that one is dealing with a world different from one’s own, different from what one knows which is difficult to accept because it will oppose your opinions and beliefs. Preparation is needed. “When the student is ready, the Master will appear.” It is like going to school for the first time. We were warned of the difficulties of the next level of grade but through perseverance, we pass every grade until we graduate. Where do we find this fruit? There is a saying: “Know Thyself”. Look in the mirror then. What do you see? Self-reflection. Your self is reflected in the mirror. Once the student finds this fruit, it is like reaching the climax in sexual intercourse. It is equivalent to Jesus Christ’s teaching: “…yours will be the Kingdom of Heaven.” There are people here on earth that have already found theirs.
The Philosopher’s Stone.
Now they have found it , how would they mature it? Speading the good news? as it was said on the other thread?
How will the fruit come about? If we have found the seed , which is to know thyself.
Yes, spread the good news, not by talking but by action. Once found, there is a sudden burst of energy, an illumination, to do something good. You lose the “I”. You don’t think about yourself but of others especially those more unfortunate than you. You give of yourself, not receive. Once the seed is yours, you will be reminded to do good all the tiem, sometimes you falter, but I think God your conscience will remind you of the misdeed and then you self-reflect, and is implanted in your mind to do good all the tiem. We have heard of people doing good things. There’s this latest news that 25 geniuses were awarded grants, Warren Buffett, Gates, donated millions. There are still many who donate and don’t get mentioned in the papers, doctors/surgeons donating their skills to other countries, etc. What are you, a student, a young professional? Study and serve humanity and when you serve, don’t expect compensation right away. I believe God will compensate you in the most unexpected way.
IF what you say is true, then you must be spreading the good news?
Where should you spread the good news? to the old people, to the middle age people?
Is not the aim are the young, where public school are separated between church and state? Is this is not your aim?
Am a servant, let me wash your feet. Your reading may be extensive, your knowledge, encyclopaedic. Do you use your knowledge to serve or bend others to your power? “Life is suffering”, according to Buddha. Do you feel the pain of the world? Do you know what it is like to be poor? hungry? ridiculed? tortured? bitterness and sorrow? When the karma of your past is projected to you in the present, are you prepared to face them? You can never know yourself until your strength has been thoroughly tested. In face of obstacle, do you persevere? Some experiences are repetitious until the lesson is learned. Do you have compassion? When you see an evil person, do you feel compassion, that is, this person has not learned his lessons yet. If you have a bilbe, Matthew chapter 5 summarizes what I’m talking about. Blessed are…the poor in spirit…those who mourn…the meek…those who hunger and thirst for righteousness…the merciful…the pure in heart…the peacemakers…those who are persecuted because of righteousness…when people insult you and falsely say all kinds of evils against you…rejoice and be glad.
We, in this age, want shortcuts to everything…hispeed internet, digital camera…speed redial…It is a very long discouraging process for the student before his master will apear. Where does the student spread the good news? people will notice your examples, your character, your goodnessand hopefully people will be able to emulate you.
Separation of church and state…
I think when the Founding Fathers mentioned God, they did not mean a particular religion, Christianity, but the one God of all, the highest power with many names. If they did, why leave Jesus Christ out? Isn’t the best symbol of Christianity, Jesus the Christ and the cross? The Indians influenced the Founding fathers visions of America, after all, before Columbus discovered America, there were already the Indians. Read the Declaration of Independence, the laws of nature and the creator was mentioned. God happens to be the English word of the laws of nature and the creator, like Islam’s Allah, the Spanish Dios, etc. But never mind the Declaration of Independence, look inside your pocket for some coins and currency. We read “In God We Trust”. It doesn’t say, “In the name of Jesus Christ”. But never mind the money. Instead look at the great seal of America. Look at the obverse. What is it you see above the eagle’s head? That’s America in its place in the world and the rays around it signifies “Divine Protection”. GOD bless America. I do not believe in separation of God and State.
from this quote, I think I have the right to stop reading. OR whenever I choose.
It is certain your writing is extensive, too complex and not simple.
Work on your simplicity.
When you say the words of the buddha, we can ignore it, because in those board, no one gives a damn about buddhism, all they know is christian.
But I can tell you about the buddha.
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It must be frustrating for you as for me that my writing confused you. My English is simple, I even use examples. Of course it is your right to ignore anything you choose, but also you might be throwing away some valuable gems. I can understand your frustration. Maybe you are not used to hard life. You asked for religious fruits. I was pointing the way to the fruit. It is hard work but worth it. It is like a student anticipating his graduation. Only the religious fruit is much much better.
Forget pointing me the fruit from the tree. Get it for me, because my leg is injured.
I live a hard life and I live the easy life. The hard life for me is not having the chance of experiencing pleasure; the easy life, experiencing all kinds of pain.
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NO, I will not get it for you. If I give it to you freely and without challenge, how are you going to experience the thrill of obtaining it? But since I’m a servant, may it pleased my master, I’ll get you the fruit.
Once you have given me the fruit, my leg will be healed.
Deception is the way, if you cannot decieve nor if you cannot get what you want from somebody, then we use the last resort, we have to do it ourselves !
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