Who discovered North America ？

[MagsJ (Surya Loka)]

@above us only sky

@MagsJ

So… were these original discoverers of America displaced or die out?

They gradually disappears because
1.at that time maritime transportation over ocean is not easy, it is impossible to send a large group of colonists across acean easily and safely as the Spanish did later.

2. at time time, commerce is not that well developed, sending people across ocean to mine gold and silver and then sell those mined gold and silver back to the old world will not cover the costs and risks of maritime transportation, it does not make sense in bussiness.

…and now look at the place.

@Ultimate Philosophy 1001

native americans are asians

The same ancestral line… yes, but adapted.

[Ultimate_Philosophy (Ultimate Philosophy 1001)]

My only question is, why did Native Americans not have fireworks and all the gizmos and gadgets of asia?

[MagsJ (Surya Loka)]

@Ultimate Philosophy 1001

My only question is, why did Native Americans not have fireworks and all the gizmos and gadgets of asia?

They may have broke off from their Oriental ancestors prior to the fireworks gizmos and gadgets that the Orientals invented?

[Arminius]

@MagsJ

@Arminius

You get me … wrong.

I was going by your premise Arminius, so I think I get you right?

Feel free to make me think otherwise… I’m listening.

When you came to England, did you discover England like the Vikings when they discovered North America?

[Fixed_Cross]

As Quebecers are proud to tell me, the Vikings were in Canada long before any weaker peoples set foot in the Americas.

Edit - I see Arc beat me to it.

[Pandora]

The Kenewick Man Controversy:
youtube.com/watch?v=jg28ww5IaXY

The study showed he was genetically closer to Native Americans than to any other groups:
nature.com/articles/nature14625

Early this year (2017), his remains were returned to the Indian tribes for burial:
youtube.com/watch?v=ZJDg6H7MNE4

[surreptitious75]

The reason why it is called America is because of Amerigo Vespucci who discovered it before Columbus did
Not that he was the actual discoverer himself since it has been acknowledged that others came before him

[Arminius]

@Arminius

The first who discovered America were the Vikings under Leif Eriksson who lived from 970 to 1020. They discovered it around the year 1000.

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Leif had one ship and a crew of 35, including himself. History records the group as containing 34 Vikings and 1 German. After leaving Greenland, they first happened upon an undiscovered island made of rock with ice mountains in the background. The second island they found contained flat white sand beaches and woodlands. Continuing westward, the third giant island they found may not have been an island at all. Many historians believe that Leif and his crew had just discovered the New England coast.

In 1473, an expedition under the command of the Germans Didrik Pining und Hans Pothorst with the Danish navigator Johannes Scolvus and the Portuguese João Vaz Corte-Real discovered America also before Christopher Columbus (1492).

[James_S_Saint]

Can you really say that a man discovered it if he didn’t even know what it was?

Who first realized that it was an entire continent between Asia and Europe?

[Arminius]

If the semantics of the word “discoverer” or the word discovering" has to meet two conditions - (1.) to be the first one who has arrived and (2.) to know for sure what exactly has been discovered -, then nobody has ever discovered North America.

[pilgrim-seeker_tom]

@Arminius

If the semantics of the word “discoverer” or the word discovering" has to meet two conditions - (1.) to be the first one who has arrived and (2.) to know for sure what exactly has been discovered -, then nobody has ever discovered North America.

Perhaps … than again … 1421: The Year China Discovered America

… and the Chinese likely were aware of the geography of the Western Hemisphere … at least in a broad/general sense.

[pilgrim-seeker_tom]

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“Facts are always convincing, conclusions drawn from facts are often erroneous.”

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Here are some facts … draw your own conclusions.

I was living and working in Pond Inlet Nunavut before coming to China.

In bidding farewell to my boss … a middle aged Inuit man … born in an igloo … probably one of the last Inuit people to be born in such circumstances … he shared an oral Inuit legend … “The Chinese will be back”

12 years later the echo of his story is carried on the wind for all those with eyes to see or ears to hear. The message is crystal clear and the intensity of the message is both blinding and deafening … in essence … "The Chinese are back!

The only difference between the former and the latter is the conjugation of the verb “to be” … in the former “will be” and the latter “are”.

As JSS so astutely wrote a month or so ago … “Truth is destructive”

It is indeed … it is … i n d e e d !

[Arminius]

Martin Waldseemüller (1470-1520), Universalis Cosmographia, Waldseemüller’s 1507 world map which was the first to show the Americas.

[Arminius]

@pilgrim-seeker_tom

@Arminius

If the semantics of the word “discoverer” or the word discovering" has to meet two conditions - (1.) to be the first one who has arrived and (2.) to know for sure what exactly has been discovered -, then nobody has ever discovered North America.

Perhaps … than again … 1421: The Year China Discovered America

… and the Chinese likely were aware of the geography of the Western Hemisphere … at least in a broad/general sense.

This is rejected by historians as a fiction.

[Arminius]

@pilgrim-seeker_tom

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“Facts are always convincing, conclusions drawn from facts are often erroneous.”

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Here are some facts … draw your own conclusions.

I was living and working in Pond Inlet Nunavut before coming to China.

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In bidding farewell to my boss … a middle aged Inuit man … born in an igloo … probably one of the last Inuit people to be born in such circumstances … he shared an oral Inuit legend … “The Chinese will be back”

12 years later the echo of his story is carried on the wind for all those with eyes to see or ears to hear. The message is crystal clear and the intensity of the message is both blinding and deafening … in essence … "The Chinese are back!

They may have heard of this legend. But not everything that has been said and heard is true.

[pilgrim-seeker_tom]

@Arminius

@pilgrim-seeker_tom

@Arminius

If the semantics of the word “discoverer” or the word discovering" has to meet two conditions - (1.) to be the first one who has arrived and (2.) to know for sure what exactly has been discovered -, then nobody has ever discovered North America.

Perhaps … than again … 1421: The Year China Discovered America

… and the Chinese likely were aware of the geography of the Western Hemisphere … at least in a broad/general sense.

This is rejected by historians as a fiction.

Of course!

Anything less would be suicidal.

The Chinese ventured out into the world about 600 years ago … triggered a quantum shift in Western consciousness … ergo …the renaissance.

The Chinese went back home and closed their doors to the outside world until recently.

The Chinese are once again going out into the world … expect another quantum shift in Western consciousness.

[pilgrim-seeker_tom]

@Arminius

@pilgrim-seeker_tom

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“Facts are always convincing, conclusions drawn from facts are often erroneous.”

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Here are some facts … draw your own conclusions.

I was living and working in Pond Inlet Nunavut before coming to China.

[attachment=0]pond-inlet-nunavut-map.png[/attachment]

In bidding farewell to my boss … a middle aged Inuit man … born in an igloo … probably one of the last Inuit people to be born in such circumstances … he shared an oral Inuit legend … “The Chinese will be back”

12 years later the echo of his story is carried on the wind for all those with eyes to see or ears to hear. The message is crystal clear and the intensity of the message is both blinding and deafening … in essence … "The Chinese are back!

They may have heard of this legend. But not everything that has been said and heard is true.

Read my opening quote.

[Arminius]

@pilgrim-seeker_tom

@Arminius

@pilgrim-seeker_tom

Perhaps … than again … 1421: The Year China Discovered America

… and the Chinese likely were aware of the geography of the Western Hemisphere … at least in a broad/general sense.

This is rejected by historians as a fiction.

Of course!

Anything less would be suicidal.

Most Chinese historians also reject the alleged Chinese discovery of America as a fiction.

[Arminius]

@pilgrim-seeker_tom

Read my opening quote.

@above us only sky

We learned in the school history class that America is discovered by Christopher Columbus in 1492. But in recent years some people suggested there might be another story.

Here is one story I found very interesting:

North America was first discovered by Asian explorers. Here are some “evidence”

Evidence 1: A brass Medallion was found in early 1994 near Asheville, North Carolina with the following words “authorized and awarded by emperor Xuan De of Great Ming”

Emperor Xuan De was the ruler of Ming dynasty China from 1425 to 1435.

Here is the detail: http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/my-best-finds/373268-diggers-diary-mysterious-ming-medallion.html

Evidence 2: The European maps at the time contains very limited detail of the geography of the inland and pacific coastal area of North America while some Chinese maps have much more details and seems more correct:

Here is the link of a 1602 Chinese map, it is a collection of the library of congress.
https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3200.ex000006Zb/

If a person compare it with some 1650 European maps like this one
https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3291s.mf000074/

One would realize that even 100 years after Christopher Columbus, the European map makers still consider California as a big island separated from the American mainland.

Evidence 3: In some American Indian culture, there may be something connected to explorers from Asia.
Here is the historical flag of the Cherokee people, this flag has the Big Dipper asterism.

And the Big Dipper asterism can also be seen in ancient Chinese flags. A 1400s Chinese naval guidebook shows the use of asterism for navigation.

Of course, there are different stories, some say America was first discovered by the Viking people long before Christopher Columbus.

Are they true?

Is that your opening post, Pilgrim-Seeker Tom?

[pilgrim-seeker_tom]

Nope!

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“Facts are always convincing, conclusions drawn from facts are often erroneous.”

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