Why? Why do we care what is true, or what is true about what is good? What is the meaning of life, or what is the point? If we are always good (if that were possible), can we still miss the point?
Does the majority decide the truly good point because we appreciate culture? Do we appeal to the behavior of other species in nature, or every living being’s instinct to survive? What about those things that we consider worth not only living but dying for?
Can we point to anyone as a true example of someone who is always good and also always gets the point? If not, does that mean there is no true good, and no true point? Why do we have this feeling that there is more to life than merely surviving or running according to our genetic or cultural programming?
Can there be an organizing principle … a point … that can only be willfully arrived at … that puts all of our competing values and instincts in proper alignment around it, such that, until we find this point, we hunger for it restlessly, we feel aimless, or like all our aims will eventually disappoint us, and never quite feel free from our genetic or social programming—to be who we are meant to be?
How can a mere principle represent the point of persons? Or could the principle also be personal? Who…? …since we can point to no one who always is, does, and values what is true, good, and meaningful? Or can’t we?
Hey @Sculptor. Remember our discussion about nature? Here’s another angle.
Regardless what species we are materially, persons are all structured to be able to see when there is inconsistency between our thoughts, values, and behaviors. We know that we are persons, and that there are other persons. We know we have a choice to acknowledge what we know, in our thoughts, values, and behaviors. That is the only reason there is ever a difference between our thoughts, values, and behaviors. We aren’t programmed robots without the ability to “game” the program. Imagine if we went with the flow of the program rather than gaming it?
We all do that.
And we are all determined by our genes and experience to act in that way to varying degrees.
The genes set the rules of the game, and we play inside those rules. But the choices are part of a deeper game.
Not sure why you are making this point here though?
I discussed this in my “your body is a black hole thread”. Consciousness is a consent violation. Some of the higher ones are able to see it. Others just reproduce their DNA with no purpose behind it, like beasts.
You are just here. Here in life, pushed forward by the tidal waves of the force of life. You are a slave to life. You didn’t ask to be born, you didn’t ask for tomorrow, but here you are. And to think, that you can somehow escape it with a 100ft drop… is fantasy at best.
There are many people living their best lives, being happy and creative. People don’t need to be more than that to be perfect.
Banking, hoarding, warmongering, things done by people poor of spirit, stand in the way. If people are free to use the gifts they are born with the world will/would be fine.
Spiders in the astral realm are especially nasty. I’ve had a lot of trouble with them. A certain ex poster here I think specializes in them. But I think they represent a primordial form of being. Before the distinction God/Devil.
Being is valuing. Caring is a form of that. Why do we care about values is the same as asking why do we exist. The answer; to value, to attain values. There is nothing beyond, and thats ok because it is everything there could ever be.
Those are the highest values, the most certain being, closest to the absolute.
Genetic programming is a result of the valuing structure of the cosmos. It is not the origin of things, just a shape of procreated valuing. Selection is valuing.
The knowing that being is nothing besides valuing liberates the mind from seeking purposes beyond pursuing our values.
A living principle can.
It would be sad if we would need to point to another for there to be living principles at work.
