Nietzche, the great Uberbeavis, said that it is impossible to understand woman because she has no depth, is merely a surface. Or that the only thing to understand about woman is her surface.
Does this hold water? You could go great lengths defending it if you use the right examples. But what examples of well known women contradict this statement? And are there philosophers who understand women differently? Are there philosophers who understand women at all?
If Jung is right on this, and I think chemistry bears him out, there is anima in the male and animus in the female. None of us are 100% either/or. The Freud/Nietzsche take on women amounts to a misundertstanding of this basic pychological principle. I really don’t know offhand of any philosophers other than women who understand women differently; and their takes are often biased toward demanding retribution for patriarchal notions of their inferiority.
Female “depth” is something unique and other than male “depth”. If a man looks for male “depth” in a female, he will not find it, and he would be a fool to think that his own failing expectations are her demerit.
isn’t it the same thing he says about the world?
that there are no ‘deep’ facts and that all there is to understand is the will to power?.
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Dan,
=D> Well said!
A keen observation, heavenly.
As Satyr has said;
“How can you be anything but superficial when your entire world-view depends on your senses and immediate awareness?”
Does this mean a man’s world-view does not depend entirely on his senses and immediate awareness?
Is this related to the “Earth” as the Mother (the immanent) and “Heaven” as the Father (the transcendent)?
To be continued.
These are miscellaneous quotes I found.
Welcome, my feminine skeptics and masculine submittances, to Simone de Beauvoir.
There does exist a female philosophical input. What would suffice in seeking out philosophical feminism? A female philosopher herself is a rational estimation.
Simone de Beauvoir wrote “The Second Sex” in 1949.
Some of it was a wee, er, carried away, but it was a firm initiation for feminism in the mid 19th century.
I can’t claim to fully understand women, but the art of seduction is one that can be mastered. Trust me. 
Understanding Women is not so hard, in fact understanding anything even Quantum Mechanics isn’t hard if one have an true earnest desire to understand. I feel I understand women very well but I’m still frustrated dealing with many of them. They are just like men in nearly all respects except emotion which affects reason and logic, which we are lacking IMO. When the two are put together we area perfect whole as long as both are putting the other before their own feelings, this criss-cross will and has made perfectly joined couples.
This separation of emotions has great value and purpose in child rearing as well as courting. The feeling of completion is in my opinion the key to longevity in a relationship, which is necessary for strong families and healthy children. Both parties need to feel they are getting something they could not get any other way and I don’t mean physical things, I mean emotionally.
I think the reason why Nietzsche is so ignorant about women is because she is completely lacking in it. She is the missing element to his philosophy. He was at least aware of this himself once, when he wrote that the highest woman is not only rarer, but higher than the higest man.
Woman needs to be integrated into Nietzschean philosophy, which is the conclusion of western masculine thought. The muse is dead - has been dead since the days of the Homeric epoch, when the last war over a woman was fought.
This was the point Luce Irigaray attempted to make in her Marine Lover of Friedrich Nietzsche
I agree, but family life is an easier matter than the world at large. i am talking of woman as an archetype, a living archetype.
We have male role models by the thousands, but where is the feminine counterpart to Caesar? Jesus has Maria Magdalena of late - she is the first first dead female commercialmodernity has embraced as an idol.
Will the first livng idols be prostitutes? Wholly possible, as these women use their power over men in the most direct way, and are more and more desired for it as the media exploit them.
The reversal of economics:
A filmmaker said: “The illusion has become real, and the realer it gets, the more they want it” How real can mediamarketing get? Is it able to create a goddess the masses believe in? I think that is required for the sanity of the world. Elections of a queen for every seazon is highly marketable, for any kind of brand. The brand becomes the means to the religion, the religion a means to the simple art of living.
The word ‘politics’ aquires a new meaning.
Nietzsche usually contrasts “the senses” with “the spirit” [Geist]. Now here may lie the key to answering my question.
The Dutch poet Adriaan Roland Holst wrote;
“As animals we humans belong to nature. As humans also to something else, which we like to call ‘spirit’ [geest]. Would it not be wittier [geestiger], and more precise, to speak of self-conceit?”
[ARH, Brief.]
Could it be that man were simply more conceited than woman?
I have long understood pride and vanity as poles: like warm and cold, vanity is simply a relative lack of pride. Original sin is due to vanity, original crime due to pride.
Is what makes man “deep” when compared to woman a more vivid imagination?
Imagination is intricately tied to will. One cannot will what one cannot imagine. Action at a distance, caused by will, presupposes a conception of what there is in the distance. That this conception is not an accurate perception should be obvious.
So the difference between male depth and female superficiality is a difference between theory (from the Greek theao, “to behold”) and practice (from the Greek prasso, “to execute”). What we have here, then, is a distinction between the vita activa and the vita contemplativa. Need I add that contemplation is Apollinian?
Apollo is the sun god. And the sun is associated with pride. The complement of Apollo is Dionysus. And we might well associate Dionysus with vanity:
I only see two parts to humans, the physical and the spiritual (life force). That being said, I don’t understand your idea, we are IMO only physically different in the obvious and what I spoke of is the soul part where the emotions reside, technically this Soul is married to the Spirit and cannot be separated. Our souls (mind emotions and will) are different as I mentioned but we are absolutely equal in all manors, different in the equipment to perform a special task, but the same value and worth in the end since it takes both man and woman to complete the task. Archetypes and role models is not what any human is designed for, it is our lack of or needs that create these so I don’t see any of this as an inherent flaw or asset to either sex.
The parched look upon a murky pool and imagine it to be both cool and deep.
Yet, the murkiness is the pool – it exposes the surface water’s nearness to the dirt.
Yo Sate,
I dunno who you think is murky - all I have to say for myself is that I’m projecting my own desires on the world.
Roma, America, Europa - all names of Goddesses, Idols. Next Goddess Up is Gaia. Won’t settle for nothing less this time.
To give you an idea I’m not talking completly out of my arschloch here here when I say there is commerce in the warrior-lady, a translation of the song Mutter of the translation of the most popular German folk music of our time;
The tears of a crowd of very old children
I string them on a white hair
I throw the wet chain into the air
and wish that I had a mother
No sun shines for me
there was no breast that cried milk
there is a tube that sticks in my throat
I have no navel on my stomach
Mother
I was not allowed to lick any nipples
and there was no fold to hide in
no one gave me a name
fathered in haste and without sperm
For the mother who never gave birth to me
I have sworn tonight
I will send her a sickness
and afterwards make her sink in the river
Mother
An eel lives in her lungs
on my forehead, a birthmark
remove it with the kiss of a knife
even if it causes me to die
Mother
An eel lives in her lungs
on my forehead, a birthmark
remove it with the kiss of a knife
even if it causes me to bleed to death
Mother
Oh give me strength
Where there is animo, there is anima.
Wow wow, Fred actually predicted my birth! hahhaaha!
lol, jk 