Why do men murder?

Sabrina,

Firstly, such a thing cannot be illustrated by statistics alone.
Secondly, what statistics?
Thirdly, why do you believe them?

This makes no sense given that men have, historically and now, by far the greater outlets for aggression. I’m thinking primarily of military life, which is and has been dominated by men (mostly against their will) across the world. But then take something like boxing - for men, this is considered a sign of toughness, of being ‘a real man’, whatever the fuck that means, but for women there’s a whole dialogue about whether it’s ethical, whether women should do this sort of thing etc. etc.

This is right wing feminist propaganda that has never been scientifically demonstrated. The only valid measure we have of pain is verbal reports and other obvious signs of distress.

Of course, there’s a massive variance in accounts of childbirth from women, so there’s no hard or fast rule of what childbirth is like, beyond it being uniquely female.

Alternatively, men’s actions have historically, culturally, literarily and philosophically discussed, leading to a tendency to see history as the story of the actions of men. I’d argue that this sort of feminism is far more valid than the one you set out.

Women have proven to be just as capable of violence as men, it is just that it is widely downplayed or ignored. This is, of course, the uglier flipside of the binary oppositions male/female-rational/irrational ideology, where rationality is male and irrationality is female. As such, women don’t enjoy the benefits accorded to the rational, but enjoy freedoms from the restrictions placed on the rational, at least in terms of violence.

The main reasons why more murders are men are because men are more powerful, and therefore their violence is much more likely to result in death, and because the legal system is much more likely to incarcerate a supposedly rational male who kills than a supposedly irrational female, who is more likely to be placed in a mental institution and ‘studied’ and hopefully ‘cured’. The same applies to sexual assaults - a man who beats and rapes his girlfriend will be imprisoned, if convicted, whereas a woman who cuts off her boyfriend’s penis will not be imprisoned unless she has a prior history of violent behaviour. This is the case in the UK, and I imagine it’s similar in the US from the scattered news I’ve read from that country.

Sexual drive can be overpowering for women too, and it certainly isn’t for all men. Plenty of priests have lived lives of chastity. Others have become peverts, but there you go, that’s the ugly flipside of repression.

You haven’t even begun to take everything into account.

You see, this is my problem with evolutionary theory - when it moves from a perfectly valid explanation of how mutations occur in species to a catch-all explanation of every behavioural phenomena available. It’s ludicrous to expect a scientific theory that has changed significantly two or three times since it’s unsure inception in the works of a confused man who said himself ‘crying is a puzzler’ to provide an explanation of everything human.

Sometimes I wonder if there’s any use in all of this, but sod it, I’ve written it now. Even if no one here cares to read it, I’ve got it on record for my extensive forthcoming volumes…

Perhaps those who can do, will.

But with the onset of weapons began the gender equalization in this regard. The back of a drowsy abusive strongman is no match for a moderately stealthy woman with a knife.

Though men are more stronger offensively, their targets are usually other men, who average equal strength defensively.

And anyone of any gender can equal things out, simply by attacking from surprise.

But men remain far and away the leaders of murder.

Ultimately, the reason men initiate the act of murder much more so than do women is because of the reasons I’ve previously posted.

And the reason so many men are more successful at murder is simply because of the odds associated with men being much more the attemptors of it.

And women can certainly kill. Hell, I was reading a story not so long ago where a domestic dispute resulted in the female picking up their young child and using him as a weapon, striking the male. The propensity for violence is everywhere. Don’t be fooled by the hypocrisies of liberal media…

And the back of an abusive woman is no match for a well placed kick.

This isn’t true - most men who pick fights pick them with people who they think that they can beat - weaker or slower males.

Funny how you maintain this without answering a single one of my criticisms.

Care to cite statistics for attempted murder charges?

If you watch mammals other than humans, the males fight for territory and for females. The fights are quite serious, but they rarely result in death, because animals that have the tools to kill have evolved instincts to control the use of those tools. For example, wolves can do great damage with their teeth. When two wolves fight and it gets to the point where one of them is clearly overmastered, the loser turns on his back and exposes his throat. At that point, the victor could easily kill the loser, but he doesn’t. The exposed throat acts as a switch to “turn off” the aggressive rage. The fight ends, and the loser slinks away, usually never to return. If you look at fights between male doves, however, there is no pulling of punches. They fight as hard as they can for as long as they can. There is no instinctive “I give up” behavior that switches off the aggression of the stronger bird – they just stop when they are too tired to fight any more. They rarely kill each other, though, because they do not have the physical tools to inflict fatal damage.

I read an elegant theory some years ago that posited that human males are more like doves. Before humans started using tools like clubs, knives and guns, they fought with their bare hands. Humans can kill each other with their bare hands, but in practice it rarely happens because humans have a lot of instinctive ability to dodge and roll away from an opponent’s fists. Bare hands are not the kind of lethal tool that a wolf’s teeth are. If you watch two guys in a bar fight with their bare hands, they will rarely do any serious damage to each other, even if they are both trying to as hard as they can. Usually the fight will peter out after a few minutes when the fighters get tired. The conclusion of this theory was that humans developed their fighting instinct based on our relatively non-lethal fists, and those fighting instincts are not very good at controlling aggression based on the relatively recent invention (in evolutionary terms) of clubs, knives, and guns.

Cause of evolution. Guys f*** sh** up and kill stuff at random times in random places for random reasons in random directions!!! Plus they invented Brutal/technical death metal.

Those guys in Vietnam who were isolated from any females at all, shot each other up. It usually has to do with being hurt by, or no attention from females that all the anger comes out, cause girls are nice when they like a person, yet so confusing and selective. Or they think the world of them one day, then never talk to them agian. Hypocrit junk and stuff.

Necessity or the rarity of a sadistic pleasure.

Murder is also easy too… :evilfun:

I find some reasoning here pretty poor. I won’t point fingers. Usually an issue like this does bring about poor reasoning. I guess it’s because (1) it touches on well-justified claims that certainly target a group. How does a targeted group respond to hard claims? (2) it’s not about things in constant flux, that we can just happen to change on a whim. We feel powerless, so we hate hearing more complaint about it.

I lean toward the latter. My attitude isn’t the same, but I’d be more likely to say “so what” than “now what.” That’s not my actual position.

I don’t think the question is too difficult. Biology has well established the aggressive male nature due to different hormonal balances. Does it make them fair? No.

How about the problem of “too many” cases of women being raped because it was mainly men sent as soldiers?

If the thread was started to invite solution to this problem, I have little else to offer but my posts here. I am however trying to gather fuel to assert my view on the “man question.” I phrase that intentionally.

Men have a higher concentrate of testosterone, which makes us on average less patient and more agressive. Its in our nature.