Why do we have sex?

Wasn’t sure where to put this topic –

I can think of three motivating factors for intercourse. First, there is lust; second, romantic attraction; third, a rational desire to procreate.

How much do the first and second factors rely on one another?
Can the third be done without the first or second?
Which are the proper motivations? – Can the third with the first be proper, or only with the second or something like it?
Can the first or second be moral without the third – which seems to be the natural purpose of the action?

My opinion: From my Catholicity I hold that intercourse without being open to conception is against nature.
But I also think that sex, without any romantic attraction between people is sub-human. (…and probably sub- some forms of animals.)
…and that lust is a sub-human (sub-rational) attraction.

Now, let the more experienced comment –

mrn

Hey sport, I’ll talk about this.

There are 2 main sensations I’d classify it all under.
*1 = Pleasure.
*2 = Thirst.

When we look at something that we think is sexy, it is pleasurable to look at, and we like the way it looks, and then there is the potential thirst or craving for more – later on.

The biology behind this is simple. Reproduction, but the intelligence+pleasure has a new effect aswel, the social effect.

Simply, in social relationships of any kind, one [most often] wants to give the other good sensations like pleasure or relief from problems. This does effect the social aspects of sexuality, because it is a social act. The desire to recieve or give pleasure to someone that your instincts say are good for you, or the desire to relieve your own thirst/their thirst/problens – in some way – is also part of the picture.

At the root most of our system is very simple when it comes to things like these, but then humans have a wide WIDE variety of ways in which they deal with these few feelings.

“Nature”?.. Why have so many people tried to humanize “nature”?
Medicine from the doctor is against nature, and it’s natural for sick animals to die if they can’t handle it on their own.
On the other hand, this “nature” – gave us enough intelligence to predict or prevent pregnancy.
I believe that there is no “nature” – there is only what we have, and how we deside to use it.

Experienced? I’d rather say “those who have a deeper or wider understanding”.

IMM, there is not much to talk about here, really, it’s so simple. We like things and want them for our basic reasons: game-theory, reproduction or self-preservation.

mrn, you where asking about which was “proper” – and the “purpose”.

First of all, it’s all “proper”. Even “homo/bisexuality” is “proper” because of our will to gain a close partner/“true-love”/pleasure/relief etc. but then there is the method in which we act upon what we naturally have. Really, whatever is “proper” will work in the long-run; everybody has their own way of doing things and living, and if it [basically] works for them then they will mostlikely stick with it.

“lust”
Natural logic? “Where should I stick the dick? My species has needs you know.”
Lust, IMO is just strong attraction – and depends on your instinct/personality.

“romantic attraction”
This is probably the social end of it all. The phsycological, friendship sort of side. This has to do with teamwork, gaining allies, keeping allies, etc.
Natural logic? “Please help me. Can I help you with that? I love you…”

“a rational desire to procreate”
That has to do with moternal/faternal isntict perhaps? The will to take care of something small, warm, soft, cute, etc.
Natural logic? “Feed, protect and take good care of this one.”

Lust = Commit sexual act please.
Romance = Be my dear friend please.
desire-to-procreate = Lets look after these kids.
^
Farther note:
It’s my guess that the initial [sexual] act is of high importance for the process to complete, but the initial act only takes a few minutes [or hours, depends]; maybe that’s why it’s so strong for some people, because of how easy of a part of the process it is [compared to years of looking after the kid, which requires a different kind of instinct].

Yes, all of the feelings are “proper” and “natural”. They have a general direction, and you get to choose in which ways you try to deal with those feelings/concepts.

Goodday, mrn.

Why do monkies climb trees…? Because that’s what monkies do. Can’t be a monkey and not climb trees, that’s unheard of.

but you have to worry about the monkeys who build tree climbing machines…

-Imp

Try not to have sex, and you’ll see why people do have sex. Sexual aspect is present in almost every aspect of life. It’s genetical.

Try not to have sex, and you’ll see why people do have sex. Sexual aspect is present in almost every aspect of life. It’s genetical.

First, I never had to try not to have sex…or sexual contact. Though it is hard not to have a frustrated libido – if you let those kinds of thoughts in in the first place. I’ve heard libido affects other creative projects as well – so is even that purely sexual?.

Second, I never used to think sex was everywhere – plenty of better things to think about. Some people seem to have sex on the brian, though.

I’ll have to remember this for a pick-up line.

I would respond to your extensive post, but I have trouble dealing with Nihilists.

To fufill our basic human instincts.

Sex is giving in essentially, it’s a rational black hole where nothing matters and all thought processes cease to have any uniformity really. All creativity based towards hedonistic means, be it for you or the other person. Its holding onto what makes us human the creature, rather than the collective mind. Physical bliss specimens we are - the junkies of the cosmos. We all just want to be held.

It’s great really.

Monkeys that start climbing out of trees are most dangerous…

Hi mrn.

I’ve been watching this thread out of the corner of my eye, imagining it might take off into something pretty interesting. Certainly the subject matter is interesting.

Sex is a form of communication. Done properly, that is to say for what I consider the right reason (putting aside for the moment the biological reason of perpetuating the species), it is a means by which we express ourselves in the most intimate of ways. It is a complete giving of oneself to the other, a joining, a way in which to be in the same place at the same time. It is a gift, given and received, a way in which to be vulnerable and open, and to share that vulnerability and openness. It is, in other words, a physical manifestation of love, a celebration of it, really.

That’s as it should be. The right reason. Then there’s lust, and sex that is purely physical and devoid of the celebration of love. It’s not for me to judge, but it seems to me that once you’ve experienced the former, the latter doesn’t hold much interest.

I respect your optimistic opinion. Actually, I enjoyed it. But how would you define love then?

Well, I mean that’s the question, isn’t it? With respect to romantic love, I would say it’s a deep connection borne of some kind of recognition of yourself in the other, yet also a kind of yin and yang thing, a completion of the whole. It’s a tapping into the universal concept of love by two people, experiencing it together, yet also adding to it and manifesting it in human form. An actualization and humanization of the divine.

I’d be willing to go with this as at least a nutshell version of what love might be.

Zira, Cornelius, and Zaius agree Icarus was the worst monkey…

-Imp

We like to have sex because it measures the nerve and passions of us. It gives us more energy and happiness! Sex is like trying to know your partner, as we always try to know everything sex is no difference in this case too! Obviously when you intercourse you enter her domain, you go inside of her and it’s the most important thing in every man’s life! Along side that, human is a sensitive creature and this manner has the most relation to your sexual feelings, to your sexual life, to your sexual thoughts and that’s why everytime you feel great about your sex life you feel so good in every sight! :smiley:

What makes you think it’s more important than, say, discussing philosophy on ILP? Or watching a sunset for that matter?
Or the day a man receives the Orders of the Church?
Or the day a man discovers how the universe works? (Newton died a virgin.)
Or the day a man dies?

You don’t have sex and come diccussing philosophy on ILP, you feel more impatient and tired.
You have sex and then watch a sunset and feel better and get better.
You don’t have sex, then see orders of the church is not really important for you, unless you wanna assume that!
Newton could do better if he had good sex.
If you don’t have sex everything goes inferior and meaningless till you could have a sex.

I have to add that sex is not just fuck, it’s about having a partner and spending time with him/her not just for fuck!

my real name, I have a question a question regarding Aquinas. Did he emphasis on the glory of virgins, and envisaged the eventual bloodbath of the sinners for the pleasure of virgins as a final relief?

For the documentation of the above claim, on the virgin part, I think the fact that he was a virgin himself and that his followers have obviously been somewhat anti-sexual, is evident enough. On the thirst for blood part, I have a comment below.

No.

Chastity (which includes abstenance outside of marriage) is advised as a virtue in Christian teaching from the beginning.

Sex is one of many things the Church takes seriously while the modern world seems to take lightly.

We have sex….because we are mortal.
:confused:
It is our incompleteness our instability our inevitable deterioration and demise that necessitates sex and attraction.
It is our grab at absolution and eternity; it is our hope for a reinvention, a reproduction, into completion.

But most of us have sex just because we feel like doing it and cannot resist the urge and are absorbed and dominated by its natural force, until our mind cannot think of nothing else and our identity is scripted by its dictations.
It is nature giving the mind a purpose and a place.

We have sex without ever knowing why we want to, beyond the ephemeral pleasures and immediate procreative outcomes.
It feels good….it leads to babies….no one need explore further.
This is our mission and without its guidance we feel lost and indecisive.

In short most of us have sex to justify our lives and to find solace in the momentary release of self upon and from the other; an unthinking lunge towards what we are lacking and a need to become lost in the unity.

The question of attraction is a related one.
What attracts us to this and not to that?

What promises the most in support of our quest for completion, perhaps.
We are attracted to what is most like us, or most like what we would like to think as ‘I’, so as to enhance and be assimilated into a new, larger, greater ‘I’, but also sufficiently different so as to not be redundant.
It is the ‘I’ assimilating or absorbing the ‘Other’ into itself – either to become more than it was or as a way to heal what it has lost during the course of its being.
It is the ‘I’ losing itself in becoming.

Why are we attracted to fruit at a certain stage of ripeness and not, so much, before or after this stage?
Why does the unripe not attract us as much or why does the overly ripe hold so little attraction? (Unless, in both cases, one possesses the specific characteristics of a particular psychological past)
Is it because the sufficiently ripe holds the greatest potential for nutritional returns or possesses the elements we covet for ourselves?
Is it because we have been conditioned to seek it out, until it dominates and controls our reason?

Are we attracted to the Other’s characteristics ( animate or inanimate) that remind us of ourselves or to what we lack in ourselves?
Is this what beauty is?