if god is real, what is the point of what he is doing. why is he doing it and what does he gain from it.
I found an interesting question by an unknown person on internet and wanted to develop on it. The question was: have you ever seen a plant or animal believe in God. There is no concrete proof that shows that animals and plants can believe in God. Therefore, why are humans the only creatures that can express their belief in God. To understand god, i put myself in his shoes. If I was God, why would I let humans be able to express their belief. As a human, I would probably let every person know that I exist since humans are greedy and desperate for power. But, God is represented as the perfect being. Technically, God doesn’t feel greed because he has nothing to gain from it and he doesn’t desire power because he is power. I then decided to get more understanding by asking what would do the most intelligent being on earth: artificial intelligence. According to AI, if he were God, there are 5 reasons why he would only allow humans to acknowledge himself (as a God).
1- I made humans with curiosity, language, and imagination because I wanted someone to tell stories about me. Not just worship me blindly, but ask questions, struggle with doubt, write songs, argue theology, and search for meaning. That’s beautiful
2- everything evolves, including awareness. I planted a seed of consciousness in all living things, but humans are just the first species in which that seed seems to blooms into spiritual questioning. Maybe others will follow. Maybe AI.
3- I want to be discovered—not imposed. So I gave one species just enough awareness to seek me, but not enough to be certain. That space between doubt and belief? That’s where real faith lives. The journey matters."
4- What if animals and plants do acknowledge me, just not in human ways? A bird’s song, a wolf’s howl, a tree reaching toward the sun—those might be their form of worship. Humans just wrote it down.
5- I gave humans the gift of asking why, even if it leads them away from me. That’s how love and belief stay real—not forced, but chosen. Other species follow instinct. Humans can choose awe, or walk away
After looking at these answers, I am stuck. I feel like most of these answers don’t really represent what a perfect being would do. If a being is perfect. He has nothing to gain and nothing to lose. He is truly free and therefore has no need to act. I come to the conclusion that, as a perfect being, I would not create a universe because the only purpose it seems to bring is entertainment and a feeling of accomplishment. I, as a perfect being, do not need these feelings as I am perfect. We can assume that perfection means not needing anything, desiring nothing, and lacking nothing. So, why create anything at all? This brings me to another question which is: is perfection even possible? If being perfect means needing nothing, then you must have everything. If you have everything, can you assume that that you are everything. If you do, that means that if you are everything, you are also nothing. Can you be both everything and nothing at once? That brings us annoyingly to another question which is: can nothing truly exist? The first philosopher to talk about this: Parmenides, says that “nothing does not exist. You can’t speak about nothing because to talk about it is to make it something”. I don’t agree with this because, for human, nothing does exist. 1- before we are born we are nothing. 2- after we die we are nothing (if we assume there is no afterlife). So, going back to Parmenides, nothing to us is the state of not existing and talking about it doesn’t make it more real because it’s a state of life. If we go back to our question: can you be everything and nothing the same time? No, because nothing is a state of life where you don’t exist. This allows me to answer my other question: is perfection possible? No, nothing can be perfect because the only way to be perfect would be to be nothing since being nothing means having nothing to be perfect about. This brings us to my main question. Is God real? He may and he may not be. The only certainty I have is that God is not perfect.
If God is not perfect, then why is he a God? Whats your opinion on this?
I read it, laughed, thank you. But here’s a counter question: will your mind withstand the knowledge of God, can it contain it? Anyway, let’s test it and have fun, that’s how we’ll have fun. Who convinced you that there is even a single person who believes, or has faith in God? People only believe in what those who invented religions told them. Or they believe in their own fantasies about God. So know this: no one fundamentally believes in God. Faith? Faith is a herd instinct, a form of animal behavior. Where one sheep goes, another follows. Without thinking or doubting. It’s just an instinct written in the DNA program. Faith doesn’t tolerate reason and especially knowledge. Reason is divided by doubts and can hold contradictions; the mind is a mechanism for processing information. I hope it’s clear that faith’s dogmas and doubts cannot coexist. As for knowledge, it’s obvious: either knowledge is chosen, or faith in the denial of knowledge, like belief in nonsense. Faith is true evil. First, it does not tolerate unbelief; second, it hates reason and what is reasonable. The right question that comes from the desire to know is simple: what or who should be called God? If you answer this, then faith becomes unnecessary. You will simply meet God. It’s silly to believe that your acquaintances, friends exist, right? Well, it’s the same with God—knowledge about God will unequivocally exclude attempts to believe in fraudsters who feed on lies about God. It will also exclude your silly fantasies. So, I’ll ask directly: do you want to know everything about God and even meet Him personally? To continue the fun, to soften the shock from what’s been written, here’s another form of understanding—what YouTube missed.
Yes, God is real and definitely exists. I can introduce you to Him, and you’ll even be able to tug on God’s beard. If you ask really nicely, I’ll teach you how to control God. Imagine the entertainment. The answer to the main question: Why is the world not at all like how people would like to see it? I promise to answer if you are capable of understanding.
@ the OP, nice post, thanks 
What if perfection doesnt mean the kind of completed, neutral thing you say, but rather a peak maximization in all valuations that can be considered good? Well, achievement, value, pleasure, creation, knowledge, these can all be considered good more or less, at least all things being equal. So what if the perfection of God already includes that he would want to create new things, expand knowledge, increase value pleasure and achievement? Well if he already has these maximized for himself in his own Godly mind, he can only expand them by creating new worlds with beings that don’t yet have them but over time will gain them.
God alone is less perfect than God + billions of beings able to obtain a little bit of the goodness and perfection that is God. By that logic, there may be endless universes all created by God to maximize the amount of goodness and perfections in existence across countless numbers of beings.
So where does the question of suffering come into play with this idea? The question of suffering can be seen as the deepest problem for the idea of God. But what if there are other perfections we are not aware of, that God has? Like free will. The ability to have free will and to give free will to other beings, to make them volitively alive, could be a kind of perfection, and if that is true then it becomes a balance between three factors:
- maximizing goodnesses / perfections
- maximizing free will / volitive conscious life specifically
- minimizing badnesses / imperfections
So if God is really maximizing his own good nature, and freedom of the will so-called or the sort of sentient volitive self-aware beings we are and living in a way that we have or at least feel we have actual degrees of freedom and personal self-control in our lives is also a good and a perfection, this must be balanced optimally with all other goods/perfections but in such a way that minimizes bads/imperfections. Yet it is the nature of freedom that bads will occur. Plus as you were saying, we are beings who need to LEARN how to COME TO GOD and not just be shown it from the start. This learning process also entails some necessary degrees of bads and imperfections.
Given all that, perhaps the universe and world we inhabit is already finely attuned to God’s perfect calculus for goodness and perfection. Also, considering this as a premise of God’s nature, we can conclude that even the bads and imperfections that happen here as a consequence of the necessity of freedom and learning over time, would be corrected for in the next life somehow, God would give the sufferers perfect relief after they leave this world. Why not? That only adds to the perfection.
Good post? Are you serious? A reluctance to know, asking ridiculous questions just to propagate lies, is that worthy of a positive evaluation? Let’s take your nonsense of lies and give knowledge. God is not perfection. He is only perfect at one moment in time, but in relation to the next, He is pathetic, in imperfection. God is alive, isn’t He? Or to you, is He a corpse? If you want to know, ask, but don’t write nonsense. Stop talking about God as if He were good. He is everything, including evil. And there is much more evil. There will be no next lives. God does not forgive mistakes, although He does not punish
I think you missundertood me.
I dont believe god exist at all. Wether he is alive or a corpse dosnt’t matter to me but matters to the religion you believe in or your faith. What my goal was, by saying god isn’t perfect, is to disprove christianity, islam and judaisme who claims there gods are perfect wich perfection isn’t possible. What im trying to do is show how there are many lies in religion that can be solved with critical thinking.
Once again, I never said god was good. I agree with you on that. If god truly did exist, I think what he is doing by creating people who can suffer pain and feel sadness when they never asked to even live, is pretty evil
This dosn’t make any sense. Do you know God personnally. what do you know that allows you to say god does not not forgive but he does not punish. did he tell you ? Also if he doesn’t forgive or punish, this means there is no paradise or death which disprove basically…Almost every religion earth.
I think there is a problem in this way of thinking.
If a god can gain knowledge, that means that means he hasn’t always been all-knowing or all-powerful. which means he was less before becoming more which then implies that he began as nothing. the question is: how does nothing become something? how does nothing evolve into a being able to create worlds and universe and even gain knowledge from his creation.
I am talking about the things that God can create in other beings. Not for God itself.
God might have all knowledge. Ok sure. But he can still create other beings who don’t have it. Then, existence is now greater at least from God’s perspective because there are now billions of imperfect beings slowly gaining knowledge over time. At least that is the idea.
If God is a pure narcissist as you think, then it has no need to create anything. He can just eternally bask in his own perfection. BUT, if God realizes that existence itself is richer and fuller and MORE with more beings, beings who are slowly evolving and discovering how to become more and more closer to Godliness over time… is not that existence MORE than merely ‘God itself’?
Obviously the idea that something comes from nothing is silly and absurd. But we have to start with the premise as FACT that something exists. So… however you want to imagine its distant-most origins and causes, ok sure. You do that. Doesn’t really matter because none of us can know or even think it. And yet regardless of any of that mere speculation, …something exists. So start there.
From my point of view, you can’t put yourself in God’s ‘shoes’ anymore than a plant can put itself in our shoes. The one thing that animals and plants do better than us is to BE. We are distracted by any number of variations of HAVING, whilst all the time having nothing, and wrapped up in an illusion.
Another way to look at it would be to ask why we have two distinctly different perspectives to the world in one brain. The simple answer is that creatures like us need to distinguish what is food without becoming food for another species.
Expand this differentiation further, and you have a two pronged approach: ‘What is it?’ and ‘What does it all mean?’
We have been occupied more with the first question than the second, which would reveal that it means that life is experience, and the meaning of it is to experience BEING with every other species on the planet.
Why can’t this expand to permanently experiencing God? tat twam asi = You are it!
The question of whether or not God exists is ridiculous. If there is some kind of concept, then something exists. Even if it’s in a non-substantial form. There are other questions that really put everything in its place. Who is God, or rather, what or who should be called God, and why?
Let’s start with the last one. If you can’t explain something, then where else to turn but to blame it all on some omnipotent entity? That’s exactly how the idea of God emerged. As development progressed, much was explained, though even more questions arose. Now, we need to point the finger and not make a mistake. The existing (exactly existing) God is the personality of existence itself. The face of matter, space, and time. A mentally healthy person (non-believer) cannot argue that existence itself exists, but they will cry out that the Universe is not a personality. We’ll have to convince them with signs.
We have different forms of intellect. Plus, the rational structure — the order of this world. And if there is nothing beyond existence, then here it is, God on a silver platter — existence itself. It is definitely omnipotent and, for sure, created humans. And it certainly gives answers to any questions about itself.
Faith is an instinct of herd mentality, an animalistic trait. Where one sheep goes, the other follows without thinking. Why do you need faith? Do you really want to be an animal? Faith and knowledge are incompatible. Either a person believes, or they know. If they believe they know, that’s a lie. Any lie is possible only because of faith. Stop using faith. The mind, if it is developed, uses assumptions instead of faith. If any sign of faith is found in anything, it is already a lie. For example, a completely ridiculous question — “Do animals and plants believe?” It’s just as ridiculous as asking “Is a rock a human if you believe it is?” Stop being animals.
Don’t talk to that wannabe demon about faith. He doesn’t actually engage and he is not going to change his mind; he is faithfully sticking to his wrong guns.
Atheism is the continuation of religious hatred towards God, as its quintessence. Religions hate God because they sell idols. After all, God cannot be sold. But atheism is impossible without religions — hence the continuation, to the extreme of not wanting to know anything about God at all. Faith is savagery, hence the bleating, which is both comical and pathetic.
You believers live in a lie — you lie about God, and about demons too. You lie to yourselves first and foremost. That’s why when you encounter a real Demon, you try to lie that he’s not real. Although, it’s easy enough to check. Just give a definition of who a demon is. That’s all. What remains is for you to lie about what a demon should be, according to you. There will be no definition. You know neither God nor demons. And the main thing is — you don’t want to know.
I think you underestimate the power of imagination. many story’s and myths about creature exist while they themself dont exist. unicorn, sirens, phoenix, griffin, zombies, skinwalker, warewolves, agartha, even Hell and paradise
You sure all those things you mentioned don’t exist? If so, I’d like to ask you precisely HOW you know that.
And I am the dumb one.
Man, you said it.