Why is Hugo Chavez Demonsized?

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez speaking in his first interview in the United States.

The consumerism of the world is unbearable. The world of the U.S. people must come to understand, how this country with 5 percent of the world population only, consumes 25 percent of the oil and the energy of the world. I mean that type of consumption is totally unbearable and this planet cannot stand it any more. When we realized that the price of oil went up beyond 50 dollars, we initiated another cooperation scheme. We have created, therefore, Petrocaribe and we are going to start with small Caribbean and Caricom countries, and the larger Antillas such as Cuba, Jamaica, and Dominican Republic.

So we’re now providing, first we’re ensuring the supply of oil, direct supply of oil from state to state, in order to avoid the speculation of multinationals and traders. They buy gasoline in Venezuela and then they go to a Caribbean country, and they charge double so we are selling the products to the states directly. We are not charging for freight, we assume the cost of freight. But apart from that, this discount is not of 25 percent it goes to 40 percent of the total, and this money will be paid back in 25 years time, with 2 years of grace and 1 percent interest rates. So if you make all of the mathematical calculations, the donation percentage is almost 70 percent because it’s a long term adjusted 1 percent. So what Venezuela’s doing is supplying 200,000 barrels of oil to the Caribbean and other Central American and South American countries such as Paraguay, Uruguay and smaller nations in South America. 200, 000 millions of barrels, if you apply calculations, mathematical calculations by 1.5 percent of our GDP, 1.5 percent of the GDP is devoted to this cooperation. It means we are financing these sister nations that next year will reach 1.7 billion dollars a year, in 10 years is 17 billion dollars. It’s a way for us to share, to share our resources with these countries.

And what about the us population? Well after many meetings with the U.S. citizens, we decided to propose a scheme for poor populations and low-income populations in the us. We’ve seen that poverty in the us is growing everywhere. It’s close to 11 percent poverty according to some estimates and instead of the figures you have to go deeper into it because if you see Katrina, and you saw what’s happened, 100,000 people were abandoned and they are abandoned, and they’re just surviving.

So here we have CITGO, this oil company. We have the CITGO company here in the United States. This is a Venezuelan company, so let’s have a look at the U.S. map the distribution area of CITGO in the U.S. We are present in 14,000 gas stations in the U.S., and here we have a different refineries, asphalt refineries, eight refineries that we have in the U.S., the plants for filling units, the third, refineries, terminals, and so on.

We want to use these infrastructures to help the poor populations. We have made some progress. We have given instructions to the president of CITGO, Felix Rodriguez. We want that up to 10 percent we refine here. We supply every day to the us 1.5 million barrels of oil, crude and product and we refine, here, close to 800,000 barrels a day refined here in the us. So we would like to take 10 percent of what we refine those products and to offer these products in several modalities to the poor populations. And the pilot project will be starting in Chicago we are already operating in Chicago. Well let’s hope that there’s not going to be any obstacle by the government opposed to this project being implemented, but we will be working in those poor populations. We have some allies, local partners and we have a number of communities, and we are going to donate some heating oil, because the winter is close, and for the school transportation to school, for the Mexican neighborhood which is the largest in Chicago, La Villita, is the name of this neighborhood with close to 900,000 inhabitants, and so there are other neighborhoods with Hispanics and Latinos. October, the 14th we’re going to start with these pilot projects with small communities and schools, but there are other pilot projects that will start in November in Boston, and here in New York.

So different modalities, with local authorities, mayors, organized communities, religious groups. So we are very pleased to announce this. And to help just with a drop, and a grain of contribution to help these low-income populations, Blacks or Hispanics or also White population so we’re just starting with this project.

Chavez is a dictator, like Castro, Stalin and several others. He has arrested people, had them dungeoned, shot opponents, confiscated privately owned land, shut-down television and radio that is critical of him.

Oh, it is Magnet posting—Kumbaya, love everyone in spite of their violent misdeeds.

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The most effcient government on the planet will always be a benevolent dictator. That is how basiic family values remain intact.

Chavez has aleviated extreme poverety in his country. Just imagine, after getting rid of the oppressive regime that preceeded him, thousands have seen a dentist for the first time in their lives. He has sent aid to the poor world wide.

Castro might not be the best Cuba has, but he beats Batista hands down. I have seen the good he has done in Africa.
I’ll agree on Stalin. He was inhuman.
Bush on the other hand has joined the pantheon of global butchers. Imagine how much more damage he could inflict on any nation that challenges our right to world economic domination if only he had more time.

I love America. It could be a far better country than it is. We should stop demonizing others, attend to our own affairs and set a better example of how a country should be managed.

Mouthing the same old platitudes about dictators as a screen for our own domestic ineptitude, global corporate greed and human rights oppessions has become a bore in the extreme.

You are quite simply a communist, and this is a capitalist society. :evilfun:

Every form of human government is fundamentally communistic. Existence would be impossible otherwise. Capitalism is simply a modern form of feudalism. Corporations could not function without the labor contribution of thousands of lowly paid production-line workers, who though enjoying the benfits of increased technology, basically live from one pay check to the next, while the CEO’s bank billions. Workers keep the farms going, roads paved and basic services on-going.

As new generations get better educated and become more aware of the unfair exploitation, capitalists will eventually be over-thrown (by sheer force of circumstances if nothing else) and the nation’s wealth re-distributed. As it is, the gap between rich and poor is already a chasm.

Demonized?

Here in the UK, he is something of a darling to sections of the gauche caviar, namely, the students. (well, him and the mohammedan’s, of course)

Right, hence the fall of the Soviets, and the now capitalistic China??? Only Cuba and Venezuela are probably left.

I do not want to support some dead beat --I do not mind support a hard working person, but many in the few communist countries left, are on the take, just as with China, the Soviets, Castro Cubans… You really have no clue regarding much of humanities corruption do you.
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Facts regarding murderous dictators are hardly platitudes, especially since millions have, and continue to die at their hands.

Bush is not a great guy, but he is hardly in the league of Pol Pot, Stalin, Lenin, and several others.

Difference – a war – again we were sucker punched.

Who are we talking about? Chavez or W?

I do think his rise to power is an interesting example of what happens in S. American when the US is too busy elsewhere to really go Monroe on people’s ass.

That said, I think his connection with para-military groups is a little disturbing. That whole post-coup mentality is rarely pretty.

LOL, Chavez is following in Castro’s footsteps, and makes no excuses for it. Wbya is an idiot puppet, and I can make this claim without being imprisoned and tortured. People in Venezuela and Cuba cannot do the same.

When has Wbya shut down a television station? The individuals he has locked up are potential violent threats to you and me.

No shit, and this is a common problem South of our border. Our leaders suck up to and help the dictators in South America, except those who openly oppose us like Chavez. I really hate the fact our tax dollars prop up these barbaric animals.

That is a major problem with American foreign policy in general. While claiming to be a defender of democracy, America has propped up (even created) some of the vilest dictators out there.

It ends up poisoning the well. When I say that ‘Democracy isn’t viewed as modern in the Middle East’ that is what I am talking about. Capitalist democracy is associated with America and, by extension, to nasty dictators. America’s past cynicism is going to be biting us all in the ass for a long time to come.

It would appear a similar situation is happening in South America now as well.

Why is Hugo Chavez demonized? If you even have to ask that question, you’re a bit behind the curve. He is, as another post pointed out, a dictator. And not a benevolent one at that.

Here’s what I don’t understand. Socialist/populist governments DO NOT WORK. How many failed states does it take to grasp that? Oh, it just didn’t get implemented the right way, next time we’ll do better. Take any economics or history course and then come back to me.

I hope you are not addressing me regarding education? :wink:

People have been saying that the European system is going to collapse for decades. While tweaks have been necessary, so what? American capitalism has needed plenty of tweaks as well.

Saying ‘socialism doesn’t work’ is not only ahistorical, it is purposefully ignorant.

LOL, we in the U.S.A. do not have a purely captalistic system. Our system does have safeguards like unemployment, welfare, food stamps, heath care, etc.

Right, we do need more tweaks, but so does Europe, an idea Sarkosy (sp) ran on. He plans to cut the 35 hour work week, and make France more business friendly, rather than union friendly.

Our not purely capitalist system is, itself, a correction of what happened during the unrestricted times in the late 1800s.

Those times were not unrestricted. Even in the 1800s the U.S. had what you would now call a corporatist economic system. Politically connected individuals got hooked up, just as happens now. The mistake is in attributing what happened during those times to the free market. The United States has never had, and based on current thinking will never have, a purely laissez-faire capitalist economic system. Many of the so-called robber barons got sweetheart government contracts and monopolies. In a truly capitalist system, that wouldn’t happen.

I disagree. In a purely capitalistic system, monopolies are inevitable. From an evolutionary standpoint, strongly selective systems (like unrestricted capitalism) favor cooperation to the point where cooperative entities overtake their non-cooperative counterparts.

That would be why multicellular life is such a big deal. The same forces would drive the creation of giant monopolies. The problem is that with the success of multicellular life, the older microbes had to adjust themselves to the new lifeforms. In a purely capitalistic system, that means that we, the purchasers, are going to have to live off the shit of corporate monopolies.

I, for one, think that is a terrible idea.