Well? People talk openly about who, why and how many they’ve slept with and yet you would rarely hear someone off “hand” talking about their latest coming with themselves. Why the stigma? Why the fear? To me, it is as unattractive as eating chocolate pudding and whipped cream after a week on a diet.
Let me be more specific. Men seem to be given carte blanche permission with this discussion while women are left to whisper. Among women, I have never heard a peep as if it doesn’t exist. Am I wrong? Even movies portray boys and men, but never women.
There are movies like ‘Hostel’ and ‘Touristas go Home’, and CSI: Desensitization in the media, but anything pertaining to sex is practically forbidden, especially in television.
That’s the answer to your question.
To create repressed, fucking insane violent people.
So true Gobbo… I recall that in the Netherlands or whatever Northern European country it was (probably a great deal of Europe as well) has porn and other acts of eroticism or the promotion of sexual freedom on public access television. Suppression of a person’s sexuality has proven to “create” rather than “rid” problems of the mind and of society.
This kind of reminds me of Bowling For Columbine… Micheal Moore wanted to know what makes Americans such a violent people, even when other far more peaceful countries like Canada and Japan have guns and violent video games and so on… is it at all possible that America is suffering from a prolonged practice of sexual suppression which results in repressive outbursts? Heh… I think I’ve found the answer Moore was searching for, but I’d need some evidence to back that up of course as this is all speculation, but a logical one at that nontheless!
Hey Bessy, I’m not really in the mood to answer your question in a Mundane Babbly kind of way, but I would like to ask a little one of my own.
Do you wish it was otherwise?
EDIT: I had to add a LITTLE something to the wrong-headed direction of the debate so far. It’s this: However sexually repressed we are in the States, one has to admit that we are less sexually repressed than we were 50 years ago. Ergo, whatever problem you want to blame on sexual repression, logically must be one that is becoming less and less of a problem over the past 50 years.
I think it stems from the male idea of “conquest.” Most men labor under the fallacious Madonna/whore duality. We simultaneously believe that women don’t really want it until our Supreme Smoothness overwhelms them. Then they moan like whores.
Thus it comes down to bragging. For whatever reason copulation with a woman gives you something to boast about; it’s a “conquest”. You don’t get “mad propz” bragging about nailing your hand.
In general, I haven’t much time for people who talk a lot about sex. Whether they’re straight, bi, gay. Whether they’re talking about frigging their rigging or about an orgy, I just don’t find it very interesting.
On the other hand, you’re right. Most people who talk about sex freely do precisely that, they talk about sex. They don’t talk about masturbation.
There are a series of strange double standards at play here.
For example, in the UK one cannot show an erect penis on television, but one could, for example, show a woman whose labia are open and whose clitoris is pronounced. But you’re right - we see men being sexually aggressive far more often than women, and apart from Adult Entertainment, we practically never see women masturbating.
However, in this country (I dunno about the US, which is huge anyway so it probably varies from area to area) women do talk about it, just not in public. It is confined to the seedier pages of gossip/lifestyle magazines and to the all-female hairdresser conversations, that sort of thing. Men, on the other hand, can talk about it more freely but tend not to, possibly because of the dynamic Sagesound was talking about.
I agree with this and most of the time I find it relatively boring when someone is so open about something that isn‘t my business. But I find it interesting that this is one subject that most women find taboo and in my years of having girlfriends it just isn’t discussed - even as a joke where men are free to at least acknowledge its existence. We are far past the sexual revolution yet I find this odd. I brought it up to see if other countries are the same as the US and wonder if this type of repression has other ramifications like (as you said) violence. Puritanical standards are in place here in the Midwest and yet we top the circuit on obesity as well. Could this be a repression of some kind sexually?
Men can’t have sex without having an orgasm but women can. I would venture to say that unless they masturbated as a young child, they would never know their bodies well enough to even know what an orgasm is - and - I think many men haven’t a clue as to giving their partner pleasure unless they’ve read up on the subject. The average 18 year old boy is more worried about the “act†of missionary get-it-over-with-and quickly sex than making sure their partner is satisfied.
So, I maintain that masturbation to young girls is more important than you think because it allows them to understand their bodies so they know what to communicate in a partner. I say this from personal experience, but that doesn’t mean that my daughter and I discuss such matters. Maybe if there was more freedom of sexual expression personally there wouldn’t be so much violence, obesity and/or affairs. I would venture that many women haven’t had an orgasm in decades if they aren’t taking the initiative to tell their partners or give it to themselves. Talk about repression.
Hmm, reaching back into childhood memory about sex talks is hard. But if I remeber correctly masterbating was considered the activity of sluts and whores. A good girl waits for a man. If you enjoy that orgasm too much you obviously are a slutty whore in the making.
Geez there are sooo many reasons why females are sexually repressed in so many cultures, The USA is not the leading country on this BTW.
the biggest reason is;
Women are still considered possessions here and elsewhere. God forbid a possesion behaves with its own sexual will. Possesions behave properly. Now whores and sluts are a commodity like alcohol or drugs. It is fine for a woman of such calliber to masterbate, heck it is even encouraged. Possesions must wait for their owner, they must not help themselves or they are immoral slutty whores.
It is more detailed than that but, it is the basic reason.
I didn’t mean to say we would discuss it here - but haven’t you noticed that our media is simply not comfortable with it - especially with woman. Screw Christian morality. I am so tired of its holier than thou lies, I could just scream. Okay - enough of this.
I am going for a bike ride… it will solve all my issues of the day.
Oh Faust you are cruel and this is a family forum. There are a few remarks that could be made but, it would be bordering past the seemly, although, would provide entertainment. Gaahhhh, bite my tongue, bite my tongue.
